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Old 12-23-2009, 07:04 PM
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Good ol' McMaster-Carr and for about $21 including shipping for a 10 foot length

http://www.mcmaster.com/#hook-and-loop/=52aw1e

That is if what I have in my shop isn't super adhesive (the Velcro is, that I'm sure)

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That could be it, but I didn't see a brand name. The stuff at Wally World is Velcro brand Industrial or Commercial. It is 2" wide and comes on a roll at least 10 feet long for a lot cheaper than $21.

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How do you attach that Vince so that it doesn't pull right off the panel or the sheet metal when you remove a panel? I can vision sewing it onto the panel side but how do you get it to stick to sheet metal. From my experience, the velcro hooks are stronger than the glue the holds it to the material.
with 3M adhesive promoter.
first off you need to use the industrial velcro,
then prime with the adhesive promoter, let dry and stick it.
we use a lot of 3m tape to hold plastic facias and body kits on new cars.
it turns 50 mph tape into 100 mph tape.
you will not pull it off.

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Old 12-24-2009, 01:54 PM
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I think you are forgetting that the bond between the Velcro hook and the Velcro loop wouldn't be as strong as the Velcro attached to the door or whatever you are putting it on. In other words, while it is important to have the Velcro firmly attached to both pieces, the hook and loop is the weakest point because it is made to come apart.
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Dan and all - while I am far from sold on the Velcro yet, I'm not sure that it isn't on a par with the 'Ford' clips. While the failed clips on my panels might be the result of many times on and off while doing the upholstery, all but one were bent and one of those bent broke a leg when I was pulling them out. Obviously I'll need some more if I go that way - but that's not a problem. Regardless, the doors will have the 'Ford' clips as will the kick panels.

I did finished 'experiment' that I said I would above with some very heavy duty self lock mushroom type "Velcro". While they are extremely strong pulling apart, there was very little shear strength and they came off with little effort even after 3-4 hours setup time. I don't have the 3M adhesion helper so the ABS might not have the ability to hold that tape without it being used - and today - not a chance on doing a run to look for some for a trial. I'll continue over the weekend most likely and get back here with some results.

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3M has that clear hook and loop type stuff. it's velcro but made of plastic and both sides are the same. it's called 3M ' Dual Lock. and it holds strong.. uses that extra strength 3M contact tape for a backer.. it's expensive tho

http://www.shop3m.com/70070415982.ht...cking-Fastener
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There are a couple of problems with using Velcro to fasten panels. One is the cost. It is obviously a lot less costly to use $2 worth of clips than $50 worth of Velcro. Another is the thickness of the two pieces when put together, and the obvious problem of getting the Velcro attached, and keeping it attached. I can see where in some isolated cases Velcro might be a viable alternative, but I think the mechanical fasteners are much easier, less time consuming, and far less expensive. JMHO.
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Good points Dan, but my panels had to be so thin that when I used any type of traditional fastener I had to laminate it between two pieces of material to prevent telegraphing through the upholstery that it made the door panels way too thick. I placed the Velcro around the panel about 2" inboard and a few pieces in the middle and it so far has worked out real well. I don't remember exactly what I paid for the commercial grade Velcro at Wally World, but all of it I bought was sure far less than $50.

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Take a look at this McMaster-Carr page. This stuff is ~.125 when the two pieces are mated, while others are .188 up to .250. There are differences depending on what you need/can use. While the stuff from Wally's - who knows, but it sound like you made it work for your '34, Vince.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/115/3397/=534nny


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I know we have discussed this in the past, Vince. One of my suppliers has what is called "super adhesive" Velcro which will withstand 300 degree heat. My cost on it 1" wide is
about $2.75 a yard per side, so one yard of hook and loop is $5.50. I used it on one of the local fire trucks to attach a cover to the metal truck body, and it worked great. It takes a full day for the adhesive to cure completely. I special ordered 2" wide stuff and it was a lot more expensive than that.
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Dave & Dan here is a pic of male & female(for lack of a better term) fastened together. It is at best no more than .125" of an inch and is actually slightly less as the camera is at a bit of an angle and not straight down. Also both sides of the sticky still have the plastic on them.

Second photo is what I have left after purchasing two packages from Wally World. It is in the fabrics/crafts section and is available in black or white. Give this stuff a try Dave, if it doesn't work for you so be it, but you haven't't spent a bunch of money on it.


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Dave & Dan here is a pic of male & female(for lack of a better term) fastened together. It is at best no more than .125" of an inch and is actually slightly less as the camera is at a bit of an angle and not straight down. Also both sides of the sticky still have the plastic on them.


Second photo is what I have left after purchasing two packages from Wally World. It is in the fabrics/crafts section and is available in black or white. Give this stuff a try Dave, if it doesn't work for you so be it, but you haven't't spent a bunch of money on it.



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Thanks Vince - I'll pick up a roll just for "experimental" purposes, if nothing else while out picking up some new clips.

As far as saving money on this car I'm beyond redemption. My new Lokar $40 small oval brake pedal came Wednesday as the rectangular Gennie was within an eighth of an inch of the steering column, then there are the replacement $20 door check straps for those that I cut too short as well as the $5 cowl seal that was wrong, regardless of the label Then there's the cheapie HF pneumatic stapler I need to make some changes as my Craftsman electric one wont penetrate the ABS....and that's just this week.

- now off to a pleasant family get together at my sister in law's house

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I don't even want to go there Dave on how much money I wasted on re-doing stuff....it's frightening.

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I don't even want to go there Dave on how much money I wasted on re-doing stuff....it's frightening.
Vince, you need to be a little more like me. I NEVER make mistakes. It's a firm policy of mine. I never cut a piece too short, weld it in backwards, drill the hole in the wrong place, apply the glue on the wrong side, knick my radiator with my mig, snap off a bolt head...then break the Easy Out...THEN break the bit trying to drill out the Easy Out, light my hat on fire, shoot grinding sparks into an open container of gasoline, run out of bobbin thread in the middle of a pleat, trace a pattern upside down, order window glass 1/8" too long, drag an air hose against a freshly painted fender, or the one I definitely never did just this past week...which is run your snow blower too close to a blue tarp...instantly sucking the tarp into the augers...and blowing out the entire drive gear case (which incidentally costs $328 and is a real BEAR to replace) due to the jolt that occurs when when a 48" snow blower with a 22 horse motor instantly stops.

There, see how easy it is to save all that money?
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