Okay, so I'm planning on putting in a new engine into my 90' camaro. I won't have a lot of time my way in a few weeks, so I'm looking to make it a bolt-on matchup kind of deal - where, I'm looking at short blocks, heads, and a cam/lifter set to put together and drop in.
So, what I want out of it. I want it to basically be a mean street machine with about 450-500 hp and similar torque numbers. I could live with low 400s-450 just fine as long as the torque is 450+
Heads:
I'm pretty sure I know which heads I want to go with. I found some Brodix track1 aluminmums with 221cc intake runners, 2.08"/1.6" valves, 67cc combustion chambers, and it can handle 0.700" lift. I figured they would suit the airflow need in order to hit the power numbers I'm aiming at. And they're a decent price at ~$1430 I don't know if it's overambitious, or just right. Let me know your thoughts.
They biggest pickle I'm in is figured out what bottom end I should get that will handle those heads well and handle 450-500 hp fine, at a reasonable price. I'm not trying to overkill it and set it up for 800+ or anything - this engine in particular will never see that, and would rarely even hit the strip for now.
I've found some 383 options:
At Competition Products, roughly 2 that look promising -
5.7" scat 4340 I-beam rods; Icon forged aluminum pistons; scat cast steel; 11:1 CR with 64cc heads; GM 4-bolt block - $2100
Same as above, only with hypereutectic pistons instead of forged - Price: $1900
Blueprint also has one -
I can't find much info on the internals, except for GM "heavy beam" rods; hypereutectic pistons; cast iron crank; 10.38:1 CR with 64cc heads - $2100
As far as 383's go, I know more cubes helps with the power, but then I'm worried about whether dumping in a lot more air to get to that power means I need forged internals or not, or if the durability is going to be fairly shot due to the added stresses from the longer stroke. Also, I have the damper and flexplate from my old 383 that I could use, so a very small plus as far as that goes.
350 options:
Found 2 decent options-
5.7" forged 4340 I-beam rods; "forged" pistons (didn't say anything else); GM forged steel crank; ~10:1 CR with 64cc heads; GM 4-bolt block - $2300 and that is also sold at competition products website.
5.7" powdered metal steel; high silicon aluminum pistons w/offset pins; 1053 forged steel crank; ~9.2:1 CR with 64cc heads; GM 4-bolt block - $2300 and this is sold straight form GM, their ZZ4 short block
Cam
As far as the cam goes, I wanted to settle these things down, and when I feel confident with what I'm going with and I have things lined out, I was going to call comp, lunati, isky, and maybe some more cam manufacturers and get their direct opinion on what cam setup I should go with; however, with the different results I've seen with similar setups, I was thinking specs about like this: ~0.540ish lift(s); duration(s) around 250/260; LSA around 108-110
Things I currently have:
-Holley 670 double pumper
-Edlebrock airgap aluminum intake
-hooker shorties
-msd street fighter distributor
-and like I said earlier, damper and flexplate that could go on a 383
Sorry for the overload, but I figured it best to try and put as much info as I could out there, so you more experienced guys have enough to work with to give some advice.
Let me know what your thoughts are! I'm really just looking for direction, if ya'll have better thoughts for a short block, heads, or what have you, then by all means, I welcome it. And hell, if you think I'm being too ambitious with my goals with what I'm trying to spend, I wanna know what route you think I should go.
Thanks,
Taylor
So, what I want out of it. I want it to basically be a mean street machine with about 450-500 hp and similar torque numbers. I could live with low 400s-450 just fine as long as the torque is 450+
Heads:
I'm pretty sure I know which heads I want to go with. I found some Brodix track1 aluminmums with 221cc intake runners, 2.08"/1.6" valves, 67cc combustion chambers, and it can handle 0.700" lift. I figured they would suit the airflow need in order to hit the power numbers I'm aiming at. And they're a decent price at ~$1430 I don't know if it's overambitious, or just right. Let me know your thoughts.
They biggest pickle I'm in is figured out what bottom end I should get that will handle those heads well and handle 450-500 hp fine, at a reasonable price. I'm not trying to overkill it and set it up for 800+ or anything - this engine in particular will never see that, and would rarely even hit the strip for now.
I've found some 383 options:
At Competition Products, roughly 2 that look promising -
5.7" scat 4340 I-beam rods; Icon forged aluminum pistons; scat cast steel; 11:1 CR with 64cc heads; GM 4-bolt block - $2100
Same as above, only with hypereutectic pistons instead of forged - Price: $1900
Blueprint also has one -
I can't find much info on the internals, except for GM "heavy beam" rods; hypereutectic pistons; cast iron crank; 10.38:1 CR with 64cc heads - $2100
As far as 383's go, I know more cubes helps with the power, but then I'm worried about whether dumping in a lot more air to get to that power means I need forged internals or not, or if the durability is going to be fairly shot due to the added stresses from the longer stroke. Also, I have the damper and flexplate from my old 383 that I could use, so a very small plus as far as that goes.
350 options:
Found 2 decent options-
5.7" forged 4340 I-beam rods; "forged" pistons (didn't say anything else); GM forged steel crank; ~10:1 CR with 64cc heads; GM 4-bolt block - $2300 and that is also sold at competition products website.
5.7" powdered metal steel; high silicon aluminum pistons w/offset pins; 1053 forged steel crank; ~9.2:1 CR with 64cc heads; GM 4-bolt block - $2300 and this is sold straight form GM, their ZZ4 short block
Cam
As far as the cam goes, I wanted to settle these things down, and when I feel confident with what I'm going with and I have things lined out, I was going to call comp, lunati, isky, and maybe some more cam manufacturers and get their direct opinion on what cam setup I should go with; however, with the different results I've seen with similar setups, I was thinking specs about like this: ~0.540ish lift(s); duration(s) around 250/260; LSA around 108-110
Things I currently have:
-Holley 670 double pumper
-Edlebrock airgap aluminum intake
-hooker shorties
-msd street fighter distributor
-and like I said earlier, damper and flexplate that could go on a 383
Sorry for the overload, but I figured it best to try and put as much info as I could out there, so you more experienced guys have enough to work with to give some advice.
Let me know what your thoughts are! I'm really just looking for direction, if ya'll have better thoughts for a short block, heads, or what have you, then by all means, I welcome it. And hell, if you think I'm being too ambitious with my goals with what I'm trying to spend, I wanna know what route you think I should go.
Thanks,
Taylor