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Old 05-01-2007, 06:20 AM
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New first gen Camaro & Mustang bodies

Recently picked up the latest copy of Hot Rod magazine. There is some pretty exciting stuff about new first generation Camaro and Mustang bodies being manufactured. This should drive down the prices people have been demanding for rusted out early Camaro bodies. The 69 Camaro Coupe has really got me interested.

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They built a new 69 Camaro on the MuscleCar show on SPIKE. I think the bodies are around $15,000. You would still have a very large chunk of change in the car. I'm not sure it would be worth it considering it's not a real Camaro.

Where I live there is a Camaro junkyard with probably 20+ 67 to 69s. I keep meaning to take my camera out there. It's a very depressing place. The cars are all pretty much beyond repair. There was a post a few days ago about re-bodying a car. (firewall swap) I wonder if some of those cars are destined to get a new body.
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[QUOTE=KenCam]I'm not sure it would be worth it considering it's not a real Camaro.
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What is a real Camaro when the quarters, fenders and such are replaced with repro parts anyhow? At least these bodies are licensed by GM and Ford and use OEM authorized sheet metal, and are assembled better than OEM. I would much rather spend $13,500 for a new 69 body than spend $15,000 for a rusted out POS, which I just looked at last weekend in Dallas.

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I would much rather spend $13,500 for a new 69 body than spend $15,000 for a rusted out POS
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Isn't that $13,500 just the body? No doors, fenders, hood, trunk lid, nose, grill, lights, axles, front frame, steering, dash, gauges, seats, ect...
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Since these things come with a new cowl do they have a new VIN tag? I am especially interested the the Mustang.
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I'm not sure it would be worth it considering it's not a real Camaro.
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What is a real Camaro when the quarters, fenders and such are replaced with repro parts anyhow? At least these bodies are licensed by GM and Ford and use OEM authorized sheet metal, and are assembled better than OEM. I would much rather spend $13,500 for a new 69 body than spend $15,000 for a rusted out POS, which I just looked at last weekend in Dallas.

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Assembled better than GM, i don't think so. Did you watch them do one on spike? Nothing lined up and bondo one end to the other. All that licensed by GM means is they pay GM money, no quality control no nothin'.
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Sacrelig?
I know a bunch of people wont like what this guy is doing.
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Assembled better than GM, i don't think so. Did you watch them do one on spike? Nothing lined up and bondo one end to the other. All that licensed by GM means is they pay GM money, no quality control no nothin'.
I saw that episode, they were blueprinting that Camaro. The body gaps they were setting were far tighter than OEM. They then skimmed the entire car Boyd style with filler.

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Since these things come with a new cowl do they have a new VIN tag? I am especially interested the the Mustang.
In the article it didn't say if the Mustang came with a VIN number. The article did talk about another firm that is making brand new 57 Chevy convertibles. They use an existing 57 firewall and cowl with all new virgin sheet metal and it is titled to the original vin. They also talk about Goodmark Industries taking your donor 67-69 Camaro and marrying it to your donor 93-02 Camaro chassis and it carrying the 67-69 vin registration.

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Sacrelig?
I know a bunch of people wont like what this guy is doing.
I like it.
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Sacrelig?
I know a bunch of people wont like what this guy is doing.

Got to hand it to that guy, exceptional work and I am all for it. What is driving all this is the absolutely insane prices all the celebrities and sports figures with way too much money in their pockets are paying for 60's and 70's muscle cars. This places them out of the hands of most people who grew up with them. I think it is great that the demand has reached a point to where it is now economically feasible to reproduce these cars.

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I saw one of the Mustangs at a trade show at Indy in March. I believe they come with the deck lid and doors. No front sheetmetal. If I remember right, they were around $15,000 bare. I don't recall if they had said anything about VINs on them, only that they had just gotten licensed by Ford to produce them.

Since the front sheet metal is reproduced, and easy available, that is no problem. You just have to find every other part for one. WOuld get kind of expensive, unless you have a rusted out one.

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I have to tell you, I looked close at every Camaro, Mustang and 57 Chevy body that was at NACE this past year. In my opinion, doing this body repair stuff for 30 years, they are JUNK. I felt them, I looked at them just as I would a car coming into the shop. They were JUNK, they were VERY, VERY rough needing HUNDREDS of blocking hours. Mostly every panel would need to be skim coated with filler or MORE. And EVERY SINGLE panel would need at the very least a LOT of polyester primer. Did I mention they were ROUGH?

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Brian, I have to voice a different opinion. Last year at Louisville NSRA I stopped by the Detroit Speed display because I spied their front end and axle on a 69 Camaro body that appeared to be new or restored in flat black paint. I inquired about the Camaro and was told it was a new Goodmark Camaro assembled from resto parts licensed by GM. I have to tell you it was not perfect, but it was far from what you described as JUNK JUNK. It certainly would required immensely less work than a near 40 year old rusty body. Yes they need work, but so did the production models back in 69. Anyone who has ever taken a Camaro down to bare metal or removed a vinyl top can plainly see the lead work that was performed on these cars by the GM assembly men.

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Vince, I saw the same flat black one at the last Goodguys. Sorry, I will stick by my earlier comments, JUNK. I have stripped to bare metal a LOT of cars and restored them. That body was ROUGH, a heck of a lot rougher than any body I have ever done. EVERY square inch needed work. Most old cars there are straight panels, not that one. Nope, just like the early Ford repro bodies I checked out last summer, they are MILES from straight.

If all you did was "look" at it, you didn't get the full effect. Rub it like you are feeling bondo work next time, it is ROUGH.

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