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Old 03-16-2010, 07:03 PM
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I have finished up JB's 37 Pickup and am re arranging and improving the shop. I did remove the rear end from my Buds 72 pick up (Housing and all) with the intent of replacing it with one of different gear ratio. After doing all this grunt work, I decided to install a one ton air hoist that my son had. After a bit of study and planning, I picked up the steel to build an over head trolley system that would let me cover about 240 square feet of shop floor. It will be 12 feet high, giving me about 10 feet of vertical lift. I am using one of the vertical beams of the shop for one post. The other three will be 4X4X1/4 square tubing. The track will consist of two 20 ft W6X12# I beam or H beam, depending upon who you are talking to. There will be a 1 ton trolley on each of these beams and the beams will be mounted to the posts that will be installed 14 feet apart (three feet over hang on each end). I will install a 12 foot cross beam with a 1 ton trolley on it, thus will be able to lift any thing in this 12X20 area. Cabs, beds, bodies can be lifted solo at the push of a button, after rigging. Motors, trannys, rear ends, frames: no problems. My old worn out back is celebrating as this is typed. Of course, it will be complaining when I build it. These 20 ft beams weigh 240 pounds and they gotta go 12 ft up. Already figured how to do that with the hoist attached to a main roof beam on one end and a block and tackle on the other end. I considered a roll around A Frame that Northern Tool and Harbor Freight offer, but they do not go quite high enough and take up too much floor space. The trolley system does not encroach on floor space because two of the posts will be right beside two of the 4 Post Lift posts, one will be an existing side wall beam and the other will be about 1 ft from the side wall near the drill press and the metal roller/brake/shear. This whole area is used for the heavy fabrication work and will also contain the lathe and mill when we get them. We will be able to move these heavy beasts around if necessary without calling for the calvary

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Old 03-17-2010, 12:53 PM
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Cool project,
I use to install systems like that from the small to the large. Couple site you could check out for Idea Demag, Autoquip, cranveyor. There's a bunch more companys that make stand a lone systems. If you need any Idea just let me know.

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Old 03-20-2010, 11:53 AM
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I've got a couple 1.5 ton electric hoists I came across a few years ago for near nothing. Used to work in a shop where we had an air operated hoist. IMO, the air job is 10X better than electric because the air valve lets you creep at whatever speed you want instead of moving in jumps at fixed speed like the electric ones do. Been looking for a long time for a decent used air hoist at a reasonable price, but they're about as rare as hen's teeth.
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That was the real advantage of the good old manual chain fall, but the air hoist is just as good, it seems. Don't think I would like the herky-jerky electric at all.

I was dreading hoisting the 20 ft H beams, but have figured out how to make that easy. We have a roll around hydraulic scissor lift that extends from 6 feet to 25 feet. We can rock the safety rails back to expose a flat table. We used tractor with a fork lift attachment to the front end loader to lift the beam high enough to roll the lift under it. The beam balances on the table with no problem and we can maneuver the beam into position. The main side beams are 12 feet high and this is the easiest way we have to do this job. My son had to keep his boys today so I worked on making mounting plates and cutting down the big pins that lets the trolleys fit a large range of beam widths by adding or removing large flat washers. I made 4 tabs that will be welded on each end of the cross rail and attached to the side rail trolleys. The 1 1/8 " pins will then attach the cross beam to the trolleys on the side rails. Probably should get the camera out for some pics.

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Hang a manual chain hoist from the hook of the electric hoist.
Use the electric for the longer lifts, then use the manual for the fine adjustment part of the pick.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:22 PM
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The two 20 ft rails are up, plumed and leveled. Tomorrow, we will install the cross beam and do the painting. We are going to roller/brush it on. It is a two part paint designed for bare steel ships so it should hold up great inside the shop. Hope to do some catch-up work on the coupe and pickup. They have been neglected the past two years and a little tender loving care is needed.

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I'm looking forward to seeing what you designed.

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We are all finished except for the paint. We installed the cross beam and added the hoist today and ran and hooked up the air line. I will start a series of Pics to share all the fun.

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The last Pics. Working with steel is sure different from working sheet metal. I am sort of proud of how level, plum and square this turned out. Using a laser level sure helped get the two parallel beams perfect because of the French Drain in the floor . Now we are ready to move in the Mill and Lathe!!!!

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Trees it look's great.. And I see your shop foreman is keeping a close eye on yall !!!

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Trees, are you sure not dyslexic and your age is 17? Man, you get a LOT done, I sure hope I can go like that when/if I hit your numbers. Awesome shop, love that last picture!
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Is that 6" channel laying down
holding up the I beams? I would worry about it bending.
Is that only one wheel on the cross beam? Most have 2 to 4 per side. Any reason you did it that way?

Ok I see what you did on the cross beam trolley miss that pic hard to see that is very nice.
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Truck Guy, good pictures are worth a lot of words, but bad pictures can be confusing. The trolleys are rated for one ton each and the hoist is rated for 1 ton. I wanted W4X13# chanel vice the W6X12# but the W6 is 25% stronger and with 14' between posts, I was not sure the W4 would be strong enough to support 1 ton directly under the mid point on one side. The tables stopped at 10ft between supports and I was too lazy to do all the research to find the answer when two steel companies told me the same thing I already knew. I lost 4 inches lifting height, but 9 feet is good enough.

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What was The mounting bracket made of It looks like 6"-8" channel laying flat on top thats my only thing I see that should be on end to carry the load better, But that just me I don't think its a big deal? I Use to have a load calculation but if you look at any of the site I listed you will see what they are using for beans. Any way my two cents looks like a pro job.

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