[Kazoom]

cnc/carl/mr Dart Dealer... I think you are having some kind of metal break down. you should get some professional help as your spaming all over the net AGAIN about a block you do NOT even sell lol.



BTW, for those that dont know, the procomp blocks and DART SHP blocks are cast form the SAME OE type grey iron.

The diffrence is the procomp version is a better casting that offers more bang for the buck over the Dart SHP version for less money.

[Kazoom]

Also here is a bit more info on the china blocks make up which again are cast with the SAME OE type grey iron as the SHP Dart block...

Gm V8 Cylinder Block - Buy Gm V8 Cylinder Block,Cylinder Block,Engine Parts Product on Alibaba.com



I think these pro-race sbc are the same ones, looks like a good bang for the buck to me...

PRO-RACE SBC 4 BOLT BLOCK--COPY of DART LIL M For Sale

[bigdog7373]

Does anyone even look at the thread dates anymore?

[cobalt327]

I can see why someone might be tempted to try one. I mean, $1K less than a lil M... but if it were to fail, you stand to loose a lot more than the thousand you "saved".

But the racingjunk ad says from Australia, the alibaba ad says Shanghai...


EDIT I reread the racingjunk ad and it says the supplier is based in AU, not that it's made there.

[CNC BLOCKS NE]

Originally Posted by Kazoom

Also here is a bit more info on the china blocks make up which again are cast with the SAME OE type grey iron as the SHP Dart block...

Gm V8 Cylinder Block - Buy Gm V8 Cylinder Block,Cylinder Block,Engine Parts Product on Alibaba.com



I think these pro-race sbc are the same ones, looks like a good bang for the buck to me...

PRO-RACE SBC 4 BOLT BLOCK--COPY of DART LIL M For Sale

Those Chinese blocks are missing .200 material in the cam tunnel and with a small base circle cam it will expose the oil band of the lifter, I know I have one of those junk blocks in my shop LOL.

And the one I have brinnell tested 107 and the Dart was 200

The lifter bore placement and angles are all over the place.

[cobalt327]

Junk in = junk out.

Also odd that the block has 6.5L (396 ci), and has a bore of 4.055".

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by BOBCRMAN@aol.com

You will be missing a lot. ProComp plans on being a major player in the high performance game. Besides most of the automotive parts now days are imported. No matter what brand name is on it.

oh, ya, make down under then shipped to china then here,, and you believe them..
maybe they shipped one block to be reverce engineered, then shipped the copies here..
I'll take a dart thanks..
I con't support the commies, doing so will end this country.

[Jsup]

Originally Posted by Kazoom

cnc/carl/mr Dart Dealer... I think you are having some kind of metal break down. you should get some professional help as your spaming all over the net AGAIN about a block you do NOT even sell lol.



BTW, for those that dont know, the procomp blocks and DART SHP blocks are cast form the SAME OE type grey iron.

The diffrence is the procomp version is a better casting that offers more bang for the buck over the Dart SHP version for less money.

Carl is a nutbag.

He pissed me off so much, I put up a site about him.

CNC Blocks NE and Carl Hinkenson

He will say anything he has to, to sell a block. He is a professional parts trasher for compaines he does not sell. He's a self aggrandizing windbag.

He champions Dart at every turn. Just so people know what kind of opinion they are getting. That is important.

And you're right about the material. I know what it costs to cast a block. How is the SHP so cheap? I run one. It's a good block. But that doesn't mean there aren't other good products.

[cobalt327]

We have a "CNC BLOCKS NE" here. Don't know if he owns it or what, but is that who you're talking about?

[CNC BLOCKS NE]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

We have a "CNC BLOCKS NE" here. Don't know if he owns it or what, but is that who you're talking about?

That is John Supino from Paramus NJ just stalking me with a bunch of BS. He was a marketing tool for World Products but that did not last long. I wonder why.

I have had to many issues with World Products over the years and his nose got bent.

I deal with GM, Ford Motor Sports and Dart Products' At least Dart machines there products in house.

Been doing this work for 38 years now.

[Jsup]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

We have a "CNC BLOCKS NE" here. Don't know if he owns it or what, but is that who you're talking about?

It's the guy above you. He says he's been building engines for 38 years. He's 52. Up to you to believe it or not.

Carl has trashed Ohio Crank, Probe Pistions, World, and Oliver connecting rods at any given time.

His motive is to sell things. If he doesn't sell something he trashes it.

In addition, I ran a credit check on Carl and found out that he did not purchase his Sunnen machines three decades ago, in fact it's much much closer to one decade ago.

That being said, a little insight into Carl. He wanted to buy a machine from an estate. He asked someone to tell the family it was worth $100, when in fact it was worth closer to $1000. That person walked away and would not participate in the ripping off of a widow.

I also hear he was told to apologize to someone by a judge. Still working on the validation of that, and the court transcripts.

Just so you know where these "opinions" are coming from. I'm all for full disclosure of a person's bias.

Oh, and I'm not with world anymore because they got sold. Pretty simple. The company was sold, and I left. No big deal no matter what Carl wants you to think.

[S10 Racer]

Originally Posted by BOBCRMAN@aol.com

Late this afternoon, a customer dropped of a new aftermkt SBC block. This thing is beautiful. The casting and machine work is top of the line. Far better than the DART blocks we get in.

I asked the customer what it was and he said he got it from ProComp.. He thought that it was an australlian casting.

Has anyone had experience with these blocks??

When I get to the shop tomorrow I will do some research.

Post some pictures so we can see.

[Jsup]

Originally Posted by S10 Racer

Post some pictures so we can see.

And some results when it's all together.

I'd want to hear how it goes. The only "tests" I've seen were not exactly fair. I'd like to see a good test with a competent builder.

[Jsup]

There is varying degrees of quality coming out of china. If it is built like crap, its because that was the spec they were handed.

Truth be told, many of the chinese factories have very high tech infrastructure and can built to whatever spec they are given. It is possible to get very high quality stuff out of china.

The reason being, is that the when you build to a higher tolerance, it gets more expensive, even in China. This makes it economically not feasible. The higher the tolerances, the price goes up, and it may as well be made here. Not always the case, but something to consider.

Now, as far as the lifter bores being off. Not sure how that happens. The machining is done all in one sweep. if the lifter bores are off, I'd expect everything to be off, not just the bores. I'm not sure how it was checked, and not even saying that's wrong. I am saying is consider what would have to happen for that to be the case, all the other machining that would have to be off for that to happen.

It just doesn't seem likely that ONLY the lifter bores were off if it were put in the jig crooked.

[cobalt327]

Originally Posted by Jsup

It's the guy above you. He says he's been building engines for 38 years. He's 52. Up to you to believe it or not.

Carl has trashed Ohio Crank, Probe Pistions, World, and Oliver connecting rods at any given time.

His motive is to sell things. If he doesn't sell something he trashes it.

In addition, I ran a credit check on Carl and found out that he did not purchase his Sunnen machines three decades ago, in fact it's much much closer to one decade ago.

That being said, a little insight into Carl. He wanted to buy a machine from an estate. He asked someone to tell the family it was worth $100, when in fact it was worth closer to $1000. That person walked away and would not participate in the ripping off of a widow.

I also hear he was told to apologize to someone by a judge. Still working on the validation of that, and the court transcripts.

Just so you know where these "opinions" are coming from. I'm all for full disclosure of a person's bias.

Oh, and I'm not with world anymore because they got sold. Pretty simple. The company was sold, and I left. No big deal no matter what Carl wants you to think.

So what is YOUR stake in this? No one I know of (who's not mentally ill) goes to that length (credit and background/legal checks/court transcripts, setting up a website, etc.) unless they have an agenda of their own of SOME sort... what I mean is, there are not too many altruistic individuals who would go to such lengths unless there's more to it than just to expose someone for being opinionated.

In my experience, there's usually money or a woman involved in cases like this, and I'm leaning towards money.