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Old 12-07-2008, 06:32 PM
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FWHP= Fly Wheel Horse Power
LS parts cheaper than Gen I ??
Usually its refered to as Brake horsepower. Brand new ls2 aluminum block $1100, CNC L92 heads $549 each. Shop around you would be surprised.

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"This looks more like this than this does"....
ROTFLMAO
OK,OK, I concede.
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Usually its refered to as Brake horsepower. Brand new ls2 aluminum block $1100, CNC L92 heads $549 each. Shop around you would be surprised.
Unless I can build an LS9...or at least an LS7...for under $10K, I'm not interested. I can build a Gen1 383, or even a number of various BBC's that make the same (or more) hp for cheaper. I'm only limited by what I can fit between the frame rails....within the budget that I've specified for the engine portion of my project.
Though I WILL look into putting an LS motor together. Not that I wouldn't mind having one, I've just thought they were too expensive. Well, that and a LOT of the Z guys are doing LS1 swaps, with the odd LS2 here and there.

Tennessee has adopted nearly every emissions law as California. But, I also don't have to worry in the slightest about emissions since my '78 280Z will be titled as a Specially Constructed '62 Ferrari 250 GTO. THANK YOU SEMA!!!

*edit* - just tried to part an LS7...nope. Can't be done. Half the components aren't even available. And just the block and crank alone are near $6K. I don't even wanna think about a set of titanium connecting rods....
Of course, we can buy an LS7 crate motor for $13-$14K. Not bad, considering the technology. But I think I'll stick to my Gen1 builds. They're cheaper and make more power...with less stuff to break.

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"This looks more like this than this does"....
ROTFLMAO
OK,OK, I concede.
HAHA! Thank you.
I conceded to your BBC, and may be changing my entire project around based on it...so it's about time. LOL!

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Unless I can build an LS9...or at least an LS7...for under $10K, I'm not interested. I can build a Gen1 383, or even a number of various BBC's that make the same (or more) hp for cheaper. I'm only limited by what I can fit between the frame rails....within the budget that I've specified for the engine portion of my project.
Though I WILL look into putting an LS motor together. Not that I wouldn't mind having one, I've just thought they were too expensive. Well, that and a LOT of the Z guys are doing LS1 swaps, with the odd LS2 here and there.

Tennessee has adopted nearly every emissions law as California. But, I also don't have to worry in the slightest about emissions since my '78 280Z will be titled as a Specially Constructed '62 Ferrari 250 GTO. THANK YOU SEMA!!!

*edit* - just tried to part an LS7...nope. Can't be done. Half the components aren't even available. And just the block and crank alone are near $6K. I don't even wanna think about a set of titanium connecting rods....
Of course, we can buy an LS7 crate motor for $13-$14K. Not bad, considering the technology. But I think I'll stick to my Gen1 builds. They're cheaper and make more power...with less stuff to break.
Can't be done? Download the GM performance catalog. Cheaper no, more power no (compared 23 degree heads to 15 degree ones lately? Less stuff to break? 6-bolt mains, 4 bolts a cylinder head. Don't me misinformed. Actual LS7 parts are expensive (the block and rods) but the rest isn't.
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Can't be done? Download the GM performance catalog. Cheaper no, more power no (compared 23 degree heads to 15 degree ones lately? Less stuff to break? 6-bolt mains, 4 bolts a cylinder head. Don't me misinformed. Actual LS7 parts are expensive (the block and rods) but the rest isn't.
I've spec'd a basic bare block LS7 build (minus the incidentals like fasteners, gaskets, etc...) and it's pretty darn close to the crate price. Those $1500 LS blocks are for only for L92 and LS3 or smaller.
The LS7 block is aluminum...and a bit over $4000.
The titanium connecting rods are in the neighborhood of $350-$400 EACH! (x8 = $2800 to $3200 )And the crank is $1,000.

That's $7800-$8200...and we haven't even touched the pistons, heads, intake, or ignition systems. The turn-key, crate LS7 can be had for about $13K...probably even $1K cheaper if you REALLY look around. But, by the time we get every little thing individually to build it, we won't be saving much...if any at all.

We can buy a 600+hp Gen1 BBC right now for $6000...ready to run. Granted, it's not as "cool" as a modern aluminum hp techno-monster...but it's cheaper and just as fast.
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I've spec'd a basic bare block LS7 build (minus the incidentals like fasteners, gaskets, etc...) and it's pretty darn close to the crate price. Those $1500 LS blocks are for only for L92 and LS3 or smaller.
The LS7 block is aluminum...and a bit over $4000.
The titanium connecting rods are in the neighborhood of $350-$400 EACH! (x8 = $2800 to $3200 )And the crank is $1,000.

That's $7800-$8200...and we haven't even touched the pistons, heads, intake, or ignition systems. The turn-key, crate LS7 can be had for about $13K...probably even $1K cheaper if you REALLY look around. But, by the time we get every little thing individually to build it, we won't be saving much...if any at all.

We can buy a 600+hp Gen1 BBC right now for $6000...ready to run. Granted, it's not as "cool" as a modern aluminum hp techno-monster...but it's cheaper and just as fast.
The LS2 block is aluminum and its $1100 SDPC
or the iron 6.0l block for $750. I realize its a smaller bore than the LS7. but you first said you were building a 383. Who said you need the Titanium rods? Its not about being 'Cool' its about a bullet proof entirely NEW engine. That will live at 7000rpm happily.
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AHA! No wonder I couldn't find their site. My lysdexia kicked in every time I tried to remember Scoggin-Dickey and I kept searching Dickey-Scoggin! hahaha!

But, I wanted to stay away from the LS's UNLESS I could build an LS7.

But, after spec'ing out a few different engine combos over the last couple days, I've come to the conclusion that I went absolutely and temporarily insane.

I went "hp-mad" and lost sight of the initial "vision" of the project as a whole...which is the closest replica of a vintage Ferrari that I could build within a certain budget. The original, with a Weber-inducted V12, was only 330 bhp. (rwhp )
So, I've decided to scale back my hp demands to something a little more inline with the original.
With the engines I was putting together, this was gonna be a high-9/low-10 second BEAST! Which, while eternally fun, isn't what I really want in THIS car.

I want it to be a balanced, well rounded, well thought out machine of beauty and grace. NOT a balls-to-the-wall, hair on fire, tire shredding, monster.

So, I think I'm back to small block territory where I was all hyped up about a BBC before.

But, I may still consider an LS. I've found a couple pretty nice examples of a carb'd LS2 that would work quite well. They're at a premium price since they're from Pace Performance, but it can be done. So, I'm going to look MUCH closer at that.
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The ls2 or ls3 crate engines are a pretty good deal. Great power, flat torque curve and good mileage.
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Personally I'd go with a LQ9 block, forged rotating assembly and CNC's L92's with some really good springs. Its extreemly durable and very budget friendly.
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would you use these heads on a 383stroker?

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