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new steering gearbox is too tight !

'69 Cutlass quick ratio (12 to 1) steering gear box purchsased thru Year One , made by , I think, AGR, or something.....problem is, it's set up way too tight. I tried to loosen it up some in the car, didn't get much better, I complanded to Year One, the sent me a different one, it's better , but still too tight. This time I checked the adjustments before installing it ..... My factory manual says 16 inch pounds total max, this one is almost 50 ! If I loosen it up and reset ever thing to the factory specs will it work ?, or does it need to be tighter ? According to the AGR company rep, he says it's needs to be tighter cause it's a''quick ratio '' gear box. A 'retired' instructior ' freind of mine. says they make them tighter cause they use 'used' parts that are not always straight and have them 'tight' to compensate for that.............would do you guys think ?????????//thanks
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Are you using this unit on a power system? If so it should work well at the manufactors recomened setting. If you are using the quick ratio for manual steering then it's going to feel tight no matter what.
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It's on a original power steering set up , just swicthed to quicker ratio box. If it was a manual, I could see the extra effort, but this is power, and 'they' have it so tight it was hard to keep it going straight !....for example, the sector I took out, I can turn it with my hand and feel the center spot, the ''new'' one, I need a vice grip to turn it !!!!
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It's on a original power steering set up , just swicthed to quicker ratio box. If it was a manual, I could see the extra effort, but this is power, and 'they' have it so tight it was hard to keep it going straight !....for example, the sector I took out, I can turn it with my hand and feel the center spot, the ''new'' one, I need a vice grip to turn it !!!!
It doesn't sound right to me, but if there's a warranty that will allow you to break this one in w/some driving, I'd wait until near the end to see if it will loosen up w/use.

But in my experience a non self-centering/too tight center feel is almost always a too tight sector shaft adjustment.
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tonite I plan to experiment..... I need to make a ''spanner'
wrench to fit adjusting ring, mark the original settings and try to re- adjust it..... maybe see what whats going on....
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tonite I plan to experiment..... I need to make a ''spanner'
wrench to fit adjusting ring, mark the original settings and try to re- adjust it..... maybe see what whats going on....
I hope you have a manual for your exact app. It sounds like you are going to reset the preload on the thrust bearing. This is measured in in/lbs.

FWIW you can get by quite nicely w/o a spanner. You will have nice clean threads, you can use a screwdriver tapped w/a small ball peen or a large Channellock.
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I give up ! they even sent a replacement for the one I got, told them it was too tight, this is the same ! I looosened ALL tyhe adjustments, STILL tight ! I have a factory manual for the '69 , says it should be max of 16 ''# , these both turn about 65''# !!!!!!!!!! I give up ! I will try to get ahold of a 'retired ' auto intructor this afternoon, to see what's going on .........
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I give up ! they even sent a replacement for the one I got, told them it was too tight, this is the same ! I looosened ALL tyhe adjustments, STILL tight ! I have a factory manual for the '69 , says it should be max of 16 ''# , these both turn about 65''# !!!!!!!!!! I give up ! I will try to get ahold of a 'retired ' auto intructor this afternoon, to see what's going on .........
I'd be very tempted to take it down far enough to determine where the friction is coming from. I can't imagine the seals would generate that much, but it's a possibility, I suppose.

Otherwise, it almost would have to be an overly tight sector adjustment- there's absolutely no reason to crank in that much preload, so the sector is what's left.

There are shims, IIRC, that can be used to take up wear-caused clearance. You might look to see if there are shims like this (sector) and see if they can be removed or their thickness reduced.
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OK , here's what I did, took it to thew 'retired' intrustor, he backed off the set screw adjustment. He had a very hard time getting it to re- adjust, seems it (the screw) is threaded into the block inside or, under the cover also, once he got it backed out further than I could, he re-set it.....and BOY ! does it turn nice. You now can turn it by hand although it is a little stiff, compared to the old original, but at least it turns .............thanks guys for your input
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