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Old 11-13-2003, 01:43 PM
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new welding wire

Have any of you guys tried the Perfect Circle brand welding wire called twenty Gauge? This is a JW HARRIS product which is an old and trusted outfit. In all of my 32 years of welding I have never seen anything that even comes close to this for welding light sheet metal. when the salesman first let me try this wire I was amazed with what it will do. It is a .030 flux cored welding wire that will weld body panels with ease. This wire uses c/25 gas and is not to be confused with useless(or is that supposed to be gassless wire)? This wire is supposed to weld down to .015 thick metal and up to .188 in one pass. I have tried it on body panels and I will never go back to using .025 solid wire! As good as this wire is on thin panels they have two sizes of wire that are even smaller that I have not tried yet. The bead is very smooth and there is NO spatter. No I dont work for JW HARRIS I am just really sold on this stuff and wanted to share it with you.

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It used flux AND gas?
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Yes it is a cored wire that must use c/25 gas. This is not new in heavy welding as duel shield wire as it is known has been around for quite some time but only in sizes much to large to weld thin panels. What is new here is the smaller sizes such as the .030 that I am using now. This .030 wire will easily make welds on really thin stock that would be hard to weld with even .025 soild wire. They make two sizes even smaller than .030 I was told by the salesman and I am looking forward to trying them also. I think that this wire will also make the 110v machines more usefull due to the fact it welds at less current for a given wire size and the smaller sizes that are available. The part no. for the .030 is TGE2. TWENTY GAUGE is the product name from JW HARRIS CO. If you try it I think you will like it.
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Do they sell smaller liners to go with the smaller wire?
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The salesman did not say what the smaller sizes are but I would assume .025 and .020. liners for .025 are easy to find for most welders and I am sure they would work just fine for .020 also. Even the .025 tip should be ok for the smaller wire if the right ones are hard to find. After using the .030 I really dont think that one would need anything smaller than .025 but I plan to try them all the first chance I get.
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I want to buy some but can't seem to find anyone local that can get it. Dose anyone know where it can be ordered online? or how I can get my hands on some?

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www.jwharris.com/twentygauge/distributors
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Thanks, but short of calling everyone on that list I don't know how much it will help me. There is only one distributor in Kansas, and it's a couple hundred miles away from me. I was hoping for an online ordering source (I guess the internet is making me lazy). Is there a local distributor in your area? Do you think they would mail me some?

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I did'nt know if that would help but it was all I could come up with at the moment. I would think that most welding supply stores and even a lot of auto parts places carry Harris products,maybe you could have them order some using the part no.(TGE2). The stuff is priced about the same as gassless flux cored wire but is of much better quality.

www.jwharris.com/images/twentygauge.pdf LOTS of info here! Even welder power settings for diffrent brands of welding machines. Also a lot of info on what this wire will do and how it works.

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What about the hardness of the weld as compared to the others?
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It appears to be about the same as mild steel solid wire and seems to grind very well. That was one thing that impressed me so much was that the weld was flat and spatter free so it requires less grinding. As with any wire a lot depends on surface prep and weldor skill. One more thing it can sometimes be difficult to use any kind of gas shielded wire outdoors or anywhere one might encounter drafty conditions. I know you only asked about hardness but I thought these tips might be of some use as dirt and paint contamination and windy conditions are probably the two most common causes of rough and porous welds that need a lot of grinding.
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Twenty Gauge

I just got a 10lb Sppol of .30 for only $25!!
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I tryed that gasless wire , ( could'nt pay the bottle bills at the time) terrible stuff , iff i havent tossed it out ill try it with gas as well,
Only a thought,,,????
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OldRed-Interesting post. After hearing about 20 guage here a few weeks back...I ordered some. I have some areas where I ground the sheetmetal a little thin and thought this would help. Couldn't find it on line and most local places here just said "huh?". I found one place that said they had it...and when it came in the mail it was 10 guage...a totally different flux type wire. I supposedly have 20 guage coming today or Monday. Sounds encouraging.

My understanding is it's filled with powder metal.

Any heat suggestions for using it with 18 guage? I have a Lincoln mig with 4 presets.

Thanks for the review.

Keith

I called many distributors as well as Harris directly. It's not sold online? Hard to believe in this day n age. So if anyone has a local source why not post a phone # or email addy etc. Most places will be happy to ship UPS.

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It's Gas Wire

It's a Gas Wire!!, read all the other post's! it is not a Flux Wire.

You have o use it with Gas, and it is Awesome..I tried it last night and it is to clean...

I emailed JW Harris, they gave me teh name of 2 Oufits, I called one and they had it..

I think the thing they get confused on is that it's called "Twenty Gauge"

My guy said "Yeah we have .020" I laughed and said "No it's called Twenty Gauge, I need it in .030"

He looked a little more on his computer and found it..

I did not read all of your post, I used it on ultra low on mine, 1 and it worked good on 1'8 belive it or not..beautiful penetration as it says..

I'm sure it will be awesome on sheetmetal since that is what it was designed for..

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