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Old 02-13-2008, 07:22 PM
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MartinSr...........I was going to drop this (issue) , but It bothers me, so, here goes... the life time battery was invented by a German, never to be heard of again. 'Stories' of someone bring a car in the garage, bragging about the high milage, carb was removed, as it an experimental one, and regular one put in it's place. A few years ago, a guy out of Texas had designed a carb system that burnd vapors, using a device similar to home humidifier with the foam belt. In the magazine 'Cars and Parts' a while back, was anticle of Don Woods, inventing (designing) a vapor system using a sealed fuel tank, expecting 100 plus mpg. Mother Eath News magazine has story on how to run an engine on wood fumes(Issue # 68 - March/April 1981 ). About 20 Years ago, I worked along side mechanics from 'the old country'..........they also had wood fires or stoves to run their cars. So, this being TRUE, what then happened to all the brillant automotive engineering ????
Listen, there is a big flaw in the theory that these things exist. That being that some article (one sided) about a device with lots of "hope" and a bonified tested and proven device are two totally different things.

There are all kinds of things that "work" but when tested in the real world they fall flat.

Again, I ask the question, Do you believe that somewhere like China wouldn't have scooped up this inventor and made these carbs or engines that run on wood fumes (isn't that what a steam engine is? ) to run their military cars trucks and planes so they wouldn't need all oil it takes to do it now?

Again, another question, Do you think these inventors were just murdered and dumped in the east river?

You do watch Myth busters don't you?

Honestly, someone like Honda or Toyota would pay tens of millions if not hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars for something that would make their cars get 100 mpg.

Every one of these inventions have been proven to be less than usable. They do work, bolt this carb on a motor and double the mpg....... with a fraction of the power to pull the thing! Or, sure, if you drive at 30 mph everywhere you go with no stops. There is always something that blows it out of the water making it totally impractical.

I am sorry, those things are in a box some where with the copper braclets that cure cancer.

Brian

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RE. ethanol fuel

Brazil has been using ethanol and started using sugar cane about 40 years ago.. the world bank did not want to loan them money to increase their production brazil refused to go petro and they were right.. who in the world bank is controlled by big oil.?? you can ferment corn and extract the ethanol and the byproduct livestock feed mix will produce more milk and meat than if you fed the critters the grain. the fermentation process makes it easier to digest....there a lot of countries south of US that could produce the raw materials for ethanol and do a lot for their economies... the japanese lobbied congress to slow down certification of more US cars for alcohol fuels ... they want the us to have to wait until they are ready...
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Just a couple of random thots (and I apologize to all Creationists everywhere)

One: If we believe the evolutionary history of planet Earth a VERY long time ago the Earth was a hot planet, enveloped in a ball of CO2, much like Venus is now. Over the span of a few million years, as life grew, evolved and took hold, the actions of photosynthesis locked the carbon away as trees and plants grew, died and decayed, forming coal, oil and other "fossil fuels" (hence the name)

Now, in the (relatively) short span of time since the Industrial Revolution, we have been burning these fossil fuels and, in general, doing our level best to return all that stuff to the atmosphere - coal-fired steam engines evolved into out current Gasoline fire cars, etc. So, have humans altered things? Yep! We have tried very hard to undo a few million years of planetary growth!

Two: On the other hand, I have never quite understood the school of thought that preaches that since new cars emit less, we should junk all the "older" ones. So, at a public forum with multi politicians on the stage, I strolled up to the mike and asked:

"Since we live in a global village where what we do impacts the entire world-wide air supply, and since car makers will not make a car if I don't buy it -and since making ONE new car involves mining ore, smelting ore, mixing with politically-correct recycled metals, transporting all this stuff, smelting again, processing the metal, rolling, cutting, stamping etc, and then transporting again and finally assembling a new car - which then has to be shipped to me - HOW LONG do I have to drive my hotrod '57 before I cause as much damage to the planet as making ONE new car does?"

I was escorted out of the meeting.
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Quote ...(Honestly, someone like Honda or Toyota would pay tens of millions if not hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars for something that would make their cars get 100 mpg.).................What if the oil companys had more power than the car manufactors ? What if , it was the oil companys that pushed for normal relations and trade in Veit Nam ? What if the oil companys were the first to get in to Veit Nam ? How about Mexico trade, and the gulf area ? Irag and Iran, any oil companys over? there????????.....by the way, the copper braclets are for arthritis..........another quote.....(.carbs or engines that run on wood fumes ,isn't that what a steam engine is ? )...............I thought steamers ran on steam not from from 'wood fumes'.

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Dave, never mind all that technical stuff, you were bad for business. You were NOT going to buy a new car. Not keeping your dollars in circulation. And being a ********. Out you go.
Never mind you were making perfectly sensible points and asking a legitimate question, you were not going to say what they wanted to hear. Expelled, huh ? Sounds about right.
I can only hope for the opportunity to ask the same question in a similar situation. And probably also getting ejected. Righteously though.
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A wise man once said, if you want to know what's going on, follow the money.

However, in today's world, it's not just global economy, it's global information. Some of the biggest scams and bubbles -- Enron, WorldCom -- lasted two or three years.

Oil companies, car companies, governments, politicians, and consumers act in their own self interest. So do hotrodders.

They may not be altruistic. But the idea that they can keep their actions secret, or that they can fool everybody, even every news outlet and reporter, for years, is not an idea -- it is delusion.

Competition in the market not only exists, it is more robust -- actually vicious is a better word -- than ever. If somebody can do something better, on a sustained basis, they will. And there are others that will try inferior ideas on the chance that they can make a breakthrough. The 50 mpg carburetor is dead, but there are a lot of people working on biofuels, and one of them may find something. Or maybe not.
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Hey guys,

First of all, I am by no means a tree-hugger ... nor do I believe everything that I hear or read ... and and haven't even read every post in this thread.

BUT

There are definite signs of climate change ... I have seen some of them myself ... and to bury our heads in the sand and pretend that those signs are there will surely lead to our own demise.

One of the signs that I, personally, find quite alarming ... is the retreat of the Columbia Icefields Glacier ... right here in my own back yard. I took the "touristy" bus tour, saw previous photographs ... backed up by obvious natural signs of the glacier's retreat.

The implications of that glacier drying up will undoubtedly affect this entire continent. It is the source of all of that water that crosses the US border, is dammed by the Grand Coolee Dam ... generates all of that electric power ... irrigates all of that farmland ... provides drinking water to how many cities in how many states ... etc.

I can foresee the day when wars will be fought over fresh water ... and just guess which country / continent contains the majority of all of the fresh water on the surface of the planet?
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I can foresee the day when wars will be fought over fresh water ... and just guess which country / continent contains the majority of all of the fresh water on the surface of the planet?
I knew W screwed up -- he should have invaded Canada for water instead of Iraq for oil!

Just kidding, my Canadian brothers.....
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Quote ...(Honestly, someone like Honda or Toyota would pay tens of millions if not hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars for something that would make their cars get 100 mpg.).................What if the oil companys had more power than the car manufactors ? What if , it was the oil companys that pushed for normal relations and trade in Veit Nam ? What if the oil companys were the first to get in to Veit Nam ? How about Mexico trade, and the gulf area ? Irag and Iran, any oil companys over? there????????.....by the way, the copper braclets are for arthritis..........another quote.....(.carbs or engines that run on wood fumes ,isn't that what a steam engine is ? )...............I thought steamers ran on steam not from from 'wood fumes'.
You really believe that Honda keeps their cars from getting better miles because of the oil companies? Really? Do they send goons to bust legs?

My point about the steam is that the steam is made but the burning of wood..which creates fumes. Just a little joke.

Honestly, yes sure the oil companies have a lot of dough on the line and sure they do their best to sell product and would hate to see something "stop" it. But there simply has not been anything invented anywhere in the world that could replace oil burning, PERIOD. There are small advances like the hybrid cars, alternate fuels, and of course simply making them more fuel efficient. But there is nothing, never has been that could replace fuel being burnt. It just hasn't happened.

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A wise man once said, if you want to know what's going on, follow the money.

I agree 100%

However, the tables are being tilted. Governments and state agencies are actually paying EXTRA to incoprotate "GREEN" intiatives. So, even if there is no payback, money is being spent on these type of technologies and are atifitailly boosting thier apparent cost effectiveness. Much like a subsidy.
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global warming on Mars ??

Are aliens (from outer space not mexico) driving humvee's on Mars.? The ice caps on Mars are melting too. There must be global warming on the Sun too.
I wish we could get some here in the Rocky Mountains this winter. there has been a lot more snow and cold... Mabe the extra snow will finally stop the drought.
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Global Warming question :the Earth has gone thru many hot and cold climate changes since it's beginning, more than one ice age, how do they know how much temperature change there was in each year ? Maybe, one degree now is just a normal thing? In something like another 10,000 years , they predict there is supposed to be a nother ice here anyway!
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Global Warming question :the Earth has gone thru many hot and cold climate changes since it's beginning, more than one ice age, how do they know how much temperature change there was in each year ? Maybe, one degree now is just a normal thing? In something like another 10,000 years , they predict there is supposed to be a nother ice here anyway!

Thank you! I was waiting for someone to say that!
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I assume you mean 50 mpg, it is simple, these things NEVER EXISTED!

Brian

Correction sir, almost.

Honda did have a carbureted car on the market from 1984-1987 that was credited with 50mpg performance.
The Honda CRX-HF model....51mpg.


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Correction sir, almost.

Honda did have a carbureted car on the market from 1984-1987 that was credited with 50mpg performance.
The Honda CRX-HF model....51mpg.


Larry
Oh, God yes, I was caught up in the whole conspiracy thing. Sure, that and the VW Rabbit diesel got 50 or so. But what we are talking about is some carb that you can bolt on your 350 Chevy and get 50 mpg. That is pure fantasy.

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