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12-22-2009 03:27 PM
farna Everything I know of is too wide for the little Rambler, even an S-10. You might try a pre 92 Ranger or other small truck frame. You'd still want to cut most everything off from the firewall forward, and would have a lot of work to do at the front kick-up. The unit body virtually has a boxed frame welded under it that runs from bumper to bumper -- get it on a lift and look! The front suspension looks strange and has those funky trunnion joints, but they are stronger than they look and replacements are available. Forget those stories about Ramblers with wheels falling off due to the trunnions! I have to admit they are true, but only because the trunnions hadn't been greased in five or more years!! Grease them every other year and they will last forever. No grease, and they will wear to the point the lower one could pull out. The lower end of the steering knuckle is a 5/8" standard thread stud. The car turns on the threads, and there is no weight there -- the weight is carried by the top trunnion. How long do you have to screw an unlubricated nut on a 5/8" bolt before it wears enough to pull the nut off the bolt?? A LOT!!
12-09-2009 08:24 PM
ramzoom a mustang II for a 40-41 Willys is just about dead nuts...
12-09-2009 06:24 PM
CQNRQY
simple cheap and compact

Maybe consider a mustang/pinto/bobcat front suspension.
They come cheap, parts are easy to get oem and at the speed shops.
rotors with different wheel paterns are available. They're easy to widen or make narrower. I'm considering this for my 53 willys if I can't find all the parts I need for it. I'm trying to keep the original drive train in it .Rod it like it would have been done in the early 60's. Split manifolds 2carbs finned coil etc.
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
Just like belly buttons, everyone has an opinion.

It's all good, I heard it said once on this forum, I don't know if I can believe it or not, but from what I understand "It's your car, do as you want".

You need to measure that track again though, I just did mine and the track (center to center of the wheels) was about 54 inches.

Hey, get some clip under it and see if it work for you.

Brian
12-09-2009 05:00 PM
stimpy just asking , I know the f body track is 60" when I saw the picture of the car I was likeman that thing is little , as for fitting with headers it would be a no go unless you go over the frame rails like they do with the nova's , I do pontiacs so the headers go between the rails no problem because of the down turn in the heads. it was just a thought , the only other thing I could see is a custom round tube front end from alston or a rectanguler front clip from ART
12-08-2009 10:36 PM
MARTINSR Just like belly buttons, everyone has an opinion.

It's all good, I heard it said once on this forum, I don't know if I can believe it or not, but from what I understand "It's your car, do as you want".

You need to measure that track again though, I just did mine and the track (center to center of the wheels) was about 54 inches.

Hey, get some clip under it and see if it work for you.

Brian
12-08-2009 09:37 PM
396Wheelstand I did not mean to start a war just looking for info guys,BTW my center to center on my american which has mags measures 61-62 inches so gutting the front and fitting a Nova sub shouldnt be much wider, as far as clumbsy I just dont understand what that means, I do know from personal experience that having a water pump, fuel pump, generator or worse yet volt reg die on an obsolete car is a plan for a lot of time and or money spent particularly when you are in timbuctoo. I just prefer never to have those experiences again, and I have had plenty of them in my younger years. Regarding the original subframe issue, I once read somewhere in these posts that the Rambler used single sheet metal with a structural integrated design for its unibody frame. Chrysler corp used triple sheetmetal in its unibody design during the same time period, and speaking from experience if you have to do any cutting or altering you had better be prepared to buttress or strengthen your alterations as they are considerably weakened when altered. This is originally what started me thinking about a nova sub, that could be lengthened to the rear to tie in the spring perches. Cheers
12-08-2009 08:41 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by stimpy
man that"s narrow! whats the width of them cars ???

The track center to center on wheels is about 54 inches. I am exaggerating that they would hit each other, but they are HUGE, CLUMBSY front ends and one of these little cars is no place for one. The Camaro track is something like 61 inches. So that is about seven inches narrower, have you ever looked at how much room there is from the exhaust or head on a camaro to the upper control arm? Not much, bring it in three and a half inches and it is hitting it!



It is just WAY too big, too clumbsy that is all there is to it.

Brian
12-08-2009 08:27 PM
MARTINSR Honestly, I think that is thought about and worried about WAY too much. I have heard that from people about running SBC motors. Tell me, are you going to rebuild the motor (or the suspension) on the side of the highway or something? I build things so I can drive them anywhere without a problem. Outside of my 68 Camaro my first wife had when I met her, I have never owned a sbc powered anything. I have had a Chevy 235 six powered truck numeruous Buick powered cars from 300-350-364-401 and 455 motors. I have driven all over the western states in them. Towing trailers up to Oregon, with a 40 year old Buick! I have driven thru 29 states with my Windstar Ford van. I have never had the need to rebuild the motor or transmission out on the highway.

I think it that is a way over used cop out and honestly all it does is create more WORK when building the car, it does NOTHING else but provide a warm gooey feeling for the owner.

Brian
12-08-2009 11:42 AM
poncho62
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Originally Posted by 396Wheelstand
This is what I have been thinking about. Use what you have and build it. By using common components available everywhere you can keep your machine on the road and repair anything anywhere. I have thought about the originality issue and find that it is too impractical to drive a 50 year old stock car very far from your base of operations (home for most of us), however using what you are planning on to build your car, you can get anything you need to repair that thing in most any city in the US. Thanks for the input.
That's true, but it still has to fit and work well.
12-08-2009 11:39 AM
396Wheelstand This is what I have been thinking about. Use what you have and build it. By using common components available everywhere you can keep your machine on the road and repair anything anywhere. I have thought about the originality issue and find that it is too impractical to drive a 50 year old stock car very far from your base of operations (home for most of us), however using what you are planning on to build your car, you can get anything you need to repair that thing in most any city in the US. Thanks for the input.
12-07-2009 01:36 PM
stimpy
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
The control arms brought together enough to keep the wheels under the fenders will just about be hitting each other! The front in is WAY to wide, WAY too wide.

Brian
man that"s narrow! whats the width of them cars ???
12-06-2009 09:12 PM
elliott
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Originally Posted by 396Wheelstand
I thought of removing everything from the firewall forward and making my own inner fenderwells, then I could use a front clip from a later Nova/camaro and build around it I would graft the front subframe into the rockers and maybe add a rear stub to connect the rear suspension to. I was able to get a close up view of Gary Meadors Nash at a goodguys meet a few years back and the whole frame from an s10 that he did was nice however it requires cutting the floor for clearance in both the front foot area and the rear kickup. The wheelbase of the short wheelbase S10 is within 1/2 inch of the Ramblers which is what originally attracted me to this, however considering the adapting of the steering and gas tank etc. I think I would be better off either building my own frame or putting a sub under it. I was just wanting to know if anyone had done this before. I initially will use a small block around 300 horses and then later put a big block in it, I am not afraid of cutting and fabricating as I have the shop and have done a lot of this type of work in the past. I think the biggest problem I am going to run into is going to be the steering and pedals in any type of swap. I had considered using a nailhead or SBF because of their smaller footprint into the engine compartment, but nailhead prices have gone crazy and I dont have anything for the SBF motors so Iwould have to spend time and $'s to get that accomplished too which brings me back to square #1. Thanks for the replys
I got a 2 door Blazer for next to nothing that will be going under my '59 American, they are the ones with the 100.5" wheelbase. I'm going to try to keep floor mount pedals and keep it a manual transmission. I will be using a 1996 Land Rover 4.0L that I got for free, which is a direct relative of the old Buick and Oldsmobile 215 aluminum V8s, I will be keeping the fuel injection. I plan on running a S10 T5 since they are dirt cheap and easily adaptable.

I figured that I need to make new floors anyway since mine are gone, why not just go for it. I can rebuild the entire S10 front suspension for what a set of trunnions for the Rambler would cost. It will also be easier to airbag, since I want it to lay on the ground.

I'm not going for power, just a nice custom cruiser that I wouldn't be afraid to drive anywhere.
12-06-2009 08:11 PM
396Wheelstand That is a great idea I think its time to go to the junkyard with a tape measure and rethink this whole thing. I will take some etailed dims of the body and start from there. Sectioning a frame down the middle may open a lot of possibilitys Thanks
12-06-2009 12:00 AM
MARTINSR The control arms brought together enough to keep the wheels under the fenders will just about be hitting each other! The front in is WAY to wide, WAY too wide.

Brian
12-05-2009 08:33 PM
stimpy couldn't you take a f body sub frame and remove some out of the center to make it fit ??( you would have to rework the steering with a rack or cut the centerlink ), but we often cut the crossmember out and replace it with tubing and plate to make hi cap pans fit .and they hold up to pounding when we wheelstand the cars.
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