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08-15-2010 02:47 PM
2ndchanceauto you should have more than enough material to work with when sanding to buff. cool truck btw
08-15-2010 02:41 PM
wyomingclimber
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Originally Posted by 2ndchanceauto
thats alot of paint for one truck you probably do have a solvent pop problem. .
It'll be interesting to see. I put on 4 coats, waiting the required 15 minutes between coats in order to have a lot of paint on there since I've never sanded and buffed before.

Generally speaking, I think it will look okay for a driver. A fair amount of orange peel and some drips, of course. Doubt I'll ever make a living as a painter...
08-15-2010 02:00 PM
2ndchanceauto yea the guy at the paint store could have grabbed the wrong toner and caught it the decided not to waste the rest of the mix and just finished hoping no one would notice.
08-15-2010 01:52 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by 2ndchanceauto
thats alot of paint for one truck you probably do have a solvent pop problem.
Very observant, I think you are on the right track as a possibility here. I just don't like the new gallon of paint being mixed up, and THAT is the one that is different.

Brian
08-15-2010 01:50 PM
2ndchanceauto thats alot of paint for one truck you probably do have a solvent pop problem. with that much paint you might be able to cut and buff it away. i would try it in a spot you wont see much. being your first paint job i'll assume that your going to be i unfamiliar territory here might find someone that is and let them see if it will help. i hope for your sake that the last gallon was the same color.
08-15-2010 01:42 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by wyomingclimber
No, no. I shot two gallons of intermixed paint, then another gallon. It's that last gallon that I had problems with.

Man, I hope where I have drips isn't a problem. That's all I need...
Ahhhhh, so I was on the right track. Different gallon, different color.

Brian
08-15-2010 12:36 PM
wyomingclimber No, no. I shot two gallons of intermixed paint, then another gallon. It's that last gallon that I had problems with.

Man, I hope where I have drips isn't a problem. That's all I need...
08-15-2010 11:18 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by wyomingclimber
Absolutely. I actually put a fender right next to the cab and looked at it in the sun. They read the same color and look exactly the same, except where the sun is directly hitting the fender, it has a hazy look to it.

The truth is that the only place this will be noticeable is on the fenders when they're in bright sun. And even then, the casual observer would probably just think it's metallic. Or dirt since, as a practical matter, I only wash my cars once every two years.

I bought two gallons and mixed them, thinking that would be enough for a truck. Ended up shooting 3 gallons, but fortunately I had the presence of mind to do the entire front with the first two. The box doesn't ever touch the front.

Much more important at this point is probably that I properly cut and buff it. Some of the drips can only be described as Biblical in proportion
Ahhh, you bought two gallons and intermixed them! That is a whole different animal than spraying out of two DIFFERENT gallons. You DID use the exact same paint, just because you had poured them into two different cans, they were STILL the EXACT same paint.

If you got a lot of runs, I say it is solvent pop or toners settling in the thick, wet, film.

You may find yourself in trouble when you go to cut and buff those runs. Runs will often be full of air and toner concentrations and be a different color!

If you want this truck nice, I think you are going to be re-painting that bed.

But think about it long and hard before you do. I think with the minor flaws once it is all put together it will meet your expectations, which is what is most important.

Brian
08-15-2010 11:01 AM
wyomingclimber
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
This could be very true, has he pulled the cab out and looked at it in the same sun?

Brian
Absolutely. I actually put a fender right next to the cab and looked at it in the sun. They read the same color and look exactly the same, except where the sun is directly hitting the fender, it has a hazy look to it.

The truth is that the only place this will be noticeable is on the fenders when they're in bright sun. And even then, the casual observer would probably just think it's metallic. Or dirt since, as a practical matter, I only wash my cars once every two years.

I bought two gallons and mixed them, thinking that would be enough for a truck. Ended up shooting 3 gallons, but fortunately I had the presence of mind to do the entire front with the first two. The box doesn't ever touch the front.

Much more important at this point is probably that I properly cut and buff it. Some of the drips can only be described as Biblical in proportion
08-15-2010 10:37 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by wyomingclimber
Ha! No. This is the first and hopefully last car I will ever paint...

I think the coppery-ness of it is just the way the sun its it and its interaction with the black. They really look like billions of tiny bubbles.
This could be very true, has he pulled the cab out and looked at it in the same sun?

Brian
08-15-2010 10:29 AM
MARTINSR As most always on stuff like this only YOU can tell us what the difference is! You see, if you used the same exact paint to paint both things and one of them looks different than the other YOU did SOMETHING different! There is no other explanation, it is pure and simple logic, SOMETHING was done different.

Be it, more or less air pressure and it is solvent pop. It could have been laid on too wet so some toner in the color (most "Blacks" are made from a formula like any other color) came to the top. Your substrate color of the bed was different (different primer color). There isn't the same amount of coats and you are seeing the primer thru it. You didn't overlap as much and it is thin and you are seeing the primer thru it. You moved faster, again, it is thin and you are seeing the primer thru it.

SOMETHING was different in the application on those two parts, think long think hard, you did SOMETHING different.

Brian

Edit, I just re-read your post. You shot a DIFFERENT GALLON of the "same paint", that makes all the difference in the world. First off, this doesn't change the fact that you need to look at all the things YOU did as I pointed out to count out all factors. If all those factors are the same, then it MUST be the paint, right? Just using logic, if everything you did was the same on both cab and bed then the only variable is the paint it's self.

And as I write in the "Basics of Basics" on choosing a color and buying your paint. (Click here)

Tip 5. After you have your color picked for goodness sakes donít be a cheapie when buying your paint. Figure out how much youíll need for the whole job. We are talking every thing you plan on painting, outside, inside, dash, jambs, trunk, everything. When you have an idea how much, add at the very least 20% more. If one gallon is enough, buy another quart. Buy all the paint you will need before you start painting anything. Get a few extra gallon cans and use them to intermix ALL the paint. You then have all the paint you need, no mismatched parts, no running out, you are set to go. If you have a that quart left over when you are done, so what? Running out of paint is NOT pretty, it is a disaster in many cases. Now, why intermix? This is a VERY painful lesson you donít want to learn the hard way. This is it in a nutshell, if you were to go to the paint store and have three gallons of the same formula mixed you would end up with three different colors! I will bet you a dollar, here is why. Some toners are very strong, just a drip will change the color. A couple of different people could mix them, some people mix better than others. There are other variables such as one toner used gets emptied and the next toner used has more solvent in it because it is new and has less strength. Now, these colors may not be ďthatĒ different. If you were to paint three different cars with those gallons you may not even see it. But if you were to paint your hood, fenders, and quarters with the three different gallons you sure would! I repeat, this is a VERY painful lesson you donít want to have to learn the hard way, BUY ALL YOUR PAINT UP FRONT.
08-15-2010 09:40 AM
wyomingclimber
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Originally Posted by deadbodyman
You didnt paint a copper colored car before this one did you?????
Ha! No. This is the first and hopefully last car I will ever paint...

I think the coppery-ness of it is just the way the sun its it and its interaction with the black. They really look like billions of tiny bubbles.
08-15-2010 05:58 AM
deadbodyman You didnt paint a copper colored car before this one did you?????
08-14-2010 09:39 PM
2ndchanceauto on the bright side if you do decide to repaint the bed it wont take near as much paint to match it
08-14-2010 09:26 PM
wyomingclimber I definitely used all the same stuff.

I looked up solvent pop and it seems that the surface wouldn't be completely smooth, which it is. This is in the paint. I don't have the old can to compare the formulas.

Weird and a little depressing. But at least the stupid truck is finally black. Now to get on sanding out all the drips...
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