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06-06-2011 10:24 AM
jcclark The hardness of the finish is what makes a difference.
so SPI Universal (a soft finish) will be different than
SPI Euro, which is a harder finish.
If I had to pick one, I'd guess the harder one is better.
Of course the number of coats has a huge part too.
06-06-2011 07:21 AM
50bowTie MILO! info requested on bar stool foot pedal contraption. way cool.
06-06-2011 05:38 AM
777funk You never know, it could be a good instrument finish. Who knows!

What applies to acoustic instruments can sometimes apply to a good electric instrument. Not always, but sometimes. Just depends on the instrument and especially how transparent the electronics are. There are some guitars with humbuckers and geared to very high gain and distortion that the finish would make precious little difference on. Other instruments are made to be very delicate and articulate. On these every last detail counts.
06-05-2011 11:05 PM
SuthnCustoms
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Originally Posted by milo
Maybe SPI will make it sound even better

Should run a couple test guitars by Carlos Santana to see...

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trying to make ya laugh

Mission Acomplished...lol...
06-05-2011 10:55 PM
milo Maybe SPI will make it sound even better

Should run a couple test guitars by Carlos Santana to see...

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trying to make ya laugh
06-05-2011 08:05 PM
SuthnCustoms
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Originally Posted by Old Fool
totally irrelevant, the OP is NOT building acoustic guitars. Painting those guitars with SPI will no affect their tone. they will just look good for a long time when the new owners are using them on the band wagon
TOTALY WRONG......because you apparently just don't know........

Woods types and coatings on the bodies and necks of electric guitars have EVERYTHING to do with different tones...........

Why does fender offer the Highway 1 stratocaster guitar with a very thin nitro laquer?..because of the SOUND..not the look,..it doesn;t last long and wears alot faster than newer type coatings..and that has a HUGE play in the sound...

Gibson and several other guitar manufacturers use it for building custom relics to relic the old tones they put out for the sound..just like custom shop guitars use it on custom hand crafted guitars....

You make it sound like no matter what type of wood or coating on an electric guitar has no matter in the sound,only the pickups,,couldn't be further from the truth.....if thats the case then why do they make and people want different type of woods..like alder..swamp ash..ash...bass wood..mahogony...ebony..rosewood...maple..and on and on...

The tonal values all come the different types of wood and coatings..each to their own..thin nitro lacquer brings a real nice warm tone..

Play an electric guitar with just the natural wood..no coating..then play one exactly the same with all the same wood and pickups and types of steel in the bridge and string nut with a poly coating on it..then tell me there's no difference in tone....it ALL has ALOT to do with the sound of an electric...including the types of coatings on it...........

Your not building a car and painting it just to get that sweet paint job..you're also keeping in mind the end result in the sound....

Do a little research on the nitro laquer and different coatings and why it's used on electric guitars and see for yourself..

But i do agree this is all totaly "irrellevant" now because the OP already knows this and is the reason he is using the Lacquer in the first place..i was just trying to "shed the light" to who doesn't know it.............

And by the way..if i was painting a guitar with a urethane finish..i'd try Barry's SPI products in a heartbeat..i know 2 body shop owners in Augusta Ga who swear by it and i've seen the quality of the stuff..so i have nothing against the stuff and have no preferences or in other words siding with any certain brand name product...but in this case its a whole different ball game as compared to painting a car....
06-05-2011 04:51 PM
Old Fool
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Originally Posted by SuthnCustoms
All great tips..but about changing up his paint,the old guitars used to be Nitrocellulose laquer,this gave gave the guitars that disinct warm classic sound that everyone is trying to reproduce..and the older the and more worn the that paint got,the better the guitar resonated and sounded beautiful..

Nitrocellulose is hard to find..you can find it but strict EPA laws on it,thats why they stopped using it on guitars and went to other more modern paints.

I have a '59 cream white all original rosewood neck Strat my father bought brand new ,,still has the original tweed case too..among 3 other strats.

I been thinking about building another strat,i have a 2 peice swamp ash body,and been researchin a lil where to get the nitro paint,that stuff is crazily dangerous to your health..hope your using a good fresh air respirator system...

i'm thinkin some of that dust is from some leftover overspray in that lil booth over time..maybe take the time to do s thorough cleaning and maybe paint the walls and floor again to make it all freshly clean again...

totally irrelevant, the OP is NOT building acoustic guitars. Painting those guitars with SPI will no affect their tone. they will just look good for a long time when the new owners are using them on the band wagon
06-05-2011 01:06 PM
milo Hope to have planted a helpful seed... There are times you can get in there with it but have another switch inside so you can turn on and off the airflow of the booth fan before opening the door..




http://www.youtube.com/user/Milogara...18/IYhxsPih7JE

The exhaust fan doesn't have to be on all the time. But you do need filtered air going in while the bad air is going out. Once the fog is gone turn it off. It is even off during clearing and then turned on after the last of the clear is sprayed to prevent that cloud of over spray from landing on the part(s)
06-05-2011 07:40 AM
777funk
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Originally Posted by milo
anyway, Idealy for guitar bodies like your doing especialy if your going to be doing a lot of them is to make a paint room that you don't go in and out of yet still be in control. That is mount the part inside the booth and spray will looking through a window so no air carries dirt in etc... check this link for a small booth project that was fun..

less room
less air to control
heat,exchaust
http://www.a2zautoforums.com/showthr...6598#post36598
That's a great idea. Is it a little difficult to spray the workpiece or about the same as being right there with it?

I wonder how hard it would be to automate the gun? It's basically the same pattern over and over again for what I'm doing.
06-05-2011 03:43 AM
milo anyway, Idealy for guitar bodies like your doing especialy if your going to be doing a lot of them is to make a paint room that you don't go in and out of yet still be in control. That is mount the part inside the booth and spray will looking through a window so no air carries dirt in etc... check this link for a small booth project that was fun..

less room
less air to control
heat,exchaust
http://www.a2zautoforums.com/showthr...6598#post36598
06-04-2011 11:23 PM
panelwagon62
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Originally Posted by milo
your on the right track , I just like to offer an alternative when that ****ing SPI band wagon starts rolling again
Not a fan I suppose?
06-04-2011 10:10 PM
milo
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Originally Posted by SuthnCustoms
..but about changing up his paint,...
your on the right track , I just like to offer an alternative when that ****ing SPI band wagon starts rolling again
06-04-2011 09:46 PM
777funk
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuthnCustoms
All great tips..but about changing up his paint,the old guitars used to be Nitrocellulose laquer,this gave gave the guitars that disinct warm classic sound that everyone is trying to reproduce..and the older the and more worn the that paint got,the better the guitar resonated and sounded beautiful..

Nitrocellulose is hard to find..you can find it but strict EPA laws on it,thats why they stopped using it on guitars and went to other more modern paints.

I have a '59 cream white all original rosewood neck Strat my father bought brand new ,,still has the original tweed case too..among 3 other strats.

I been thinking about building another strat,i have a 2 peice swamp ash body,and been researchin a lil where to get the nitro paint,that stuff is crazily dangerous to your health..hope your using a good fresh air respirator system...

i'm thinkin some of that dust is from some leftover overspray in that lil booth over time..maybe take the time to do s thorough cleaning and maybe paint the walls and floor again to make it all freshly clean again...
You just have to stop by any wood finishing supplier (Sherwin Williams Sherwood is one example). Any good woodworking finish supply should have lots of Nitro. It's just not common on cars anymore. Cabinet makers still use it quite a bit. Even with them Pre-Cat is more common. Conventional lacquer just isn't durable enough. Even for building guitars, it's hard to keep it fresh even to make it out the door. The stuff isn't durable at all. But it's a great finish for instruments or no one would use it. It looks great as it wears too.
06-04-2011 08:42 PM
SuthnCustoms All great tips..but about changing up his paint,the old guitars used to be Nitrocellulose laquer,this gave gave the guitars that disinct warm classic sound that everyone is trying to reproduce..and the older the and more worn the that paint got,the better the guitar resonated and sounded beautiful..

Nitrocellulose is hard to find..you can find it but strict EPA laws on it,thats why they stopped using it on guitars and went to other more modern paints.

I have a '59 cream white all original rosewood neck Strat my father bought brand new ,,still has the original tweed case too..among 3 other strats.

I been thinking about building another strat,i have a 2 peice swamp ash body,and been researchin a lil where to get the nitro paint,that stuff is crazily dangerous to your health..hope your using a good fresh air respirator system...

i'm thinkin some of that dust is from some leftover overspray in that lil booth over time..maybe take the time to do s thorough cleaning and maybe paint the walls and floor again to make it all freshly clean again...
06-04-2011 06:04 AM
deadbodyman Filtered intake air is a must and most of your trouble....also a turbo clear that dries in minutes will help a lot.it'll dry before any dust settles on the work.lightly sand out trash between coats of clear...
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