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11-08-2014 09:23 AM
ForceFed86
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Originally Posted by Bonneville462 View Post
No, you need new tires..

I tried them a few years ago with a set of new but bad tires, trying to avoid replacing the tires. They would smooth out the ride but every time I hit an expansion joint or jarring bump the bead would move and throw the balance back out of wack and make it even worse...

Forget it and get good tires.. I recently bought a new set of 235/70r15 Firestone Destination LE-2 tires. WOW what a difference! They ride as smooth as glass, stick like glue and hardly needed any balance weights..
Depends on the application IMO. If this is for a typical street car and I just bought new tires I'd expect them to static balance easily. Smaller tires that don't move on the rim are easy to get a standard balance on. No reason they should need beads. I could easily smoke/spin a 235/70 radial tire rolling onto the gas at 100+. When you start getting into large bias ply racing tires or offroad tires balancing becomes difficult. Once the tire moves on the rim, the static balance is useless. Thats when I'd suggest dynamic balancing...(beads.)
11-08-2014 06:22 AM
Bonneville462 No, you need new tires..

I tried them a few years ago with a set of new but bad tires, trying to avoid replacing the tires. They would smooth out the ride but every time I hit an expansion joint or jarring bump the bead would move and throw the balance back out of wack and make it even worse...

Forget it and get good tires.. I recently bought a new set of 235/70r15 Firestone Destination LE-2 tires. WOW what a difference! They ride as smooth as glass, stick like glue and hardly needed any balance weights..
10-29-2014 06:51 AM
Jmark I bought a set years ago and love them. Perfect balance. I had mine custom built to fit my "big man's" skate board. Nothing worse than loughing down Sunset Point on I-17, 8 mile 7% grade at 80+ and getting a wheel hop!

Mark (why does my butt hurt!)
10-28-2014 10:11 PM
ForceFed86 I'd also like to add that I built a new drag car last year. I've been 8's in the quarter mile at 159 mph with 5oz of airsoft pellets in a 29X12" slick. The car is very smooth up top and cruises great down the highway. I drive to and from the track on the slicks pictured.

08-01-2014 09:20 PM
Leoman Thought I'd post to this old thread rather than start a new one.

I just today popped 4 Centramatic balancers on my 72 Camaro. I have a bubble balancer but the heavy old z28 mags and tires (oversize in back) were proving impossible to balance for the highway. I was about to junk them in favor of aluminum rims and new tires, but I ordered this product (figuring I could use it with new wheels anyway if it came to that) and was stunned to find steering a shade heavier and more stable and much, much smoother highway operation. The bead guys listed limits on their recommended tire profiles and both of my vehicles exceed the limits, so I went with this $200 option.

I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the product or the company, who answered my info request emails the same day without fail.
07-21-2013 10:01 AM
64SS327 I worked part time at a GoodYear dealership about ten years ago. We used the Equal brand balancing compound and never had any complaints. I seem to remember something about not using it in the steer tires on semis but it's been so long I don't remember.

I used Equal in both my 77 Bronco with 16/38.5-15 Super Swampers and 78 GMC with 31's with good results. I put it in when I mounted the tires so I can't say it made the ride any better. I just never had any issues with it in my tires.
07-20-2013 04:20 PM
ForceFed86 Went 147 mph on my bead balanced tires this weekend...must be magic!

07-13-2013 09:20 PM
Too Many Projects I recently retired from trucking after 28 years as an owner/operator and for the last 12 years have used balancing beads exclusively in my semi tires. They are the ONLY balancing method that eliminated cupping and flat spots. The Peterbilt I sold 3 weeks ago had 1.2 million miles on it of which I drove it 800,000 miles with beads in the tires. Since I also do all my own tire work, I moved the beads from a worn tire to the new, saving the cost of bead replacement too. Very cost effective, accurate balancing.
07-06-2013 07:46 PM
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxstrobe
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Originally Posted by ForceFed86 View Post
So lets get this straight.

1.) You didn't put the "compound" material in your tires.

2.) You don't know what "compound" was used or how much?

Yet you can claim that all tire balance beads are total crap and can't work properly when like a million people have been using it for decades and claim it works. I personally have used them and they worked great in my application.

It's very simple physics and works just fine in a "real world setting". Ie smooth as glass at 137mph in a big *** slick. Did you look at the video above? A caveman could understand it. The fact that you cant scares me a bit.
Really? Actually cavemen were very clever I hope your not suggesting otherwise
in answer to your 1st point ; it is an invalid entry ie it is not relevant.
the compound was in the tire regardless of who put it there. I know because I saw the tire removed and emptied of the beads.
point 2 half valid in that I dont know the exact weight but I do know that they are a commercially available brand
caveman point ; I understand the plastic bottle physics perfectly rather you jump the gun in assuming I don't and if you are suggesting that it is in anyway capable of being a control experiment for a tire at 137 then ...
Finally the video is not real world its a constant shape plastic bottle as opposed to a rubber tire which every turn has a flat area at the contact with the road and in some conditions is subject to huge external accelerations which are otherwise known as bumps
anyway its all academic because I had a truck that was shaking itself to bits and now the beads are out its silky smooth so I need no further evidence,perhaps the truth lies in the middle ie it works in some applications but not in others after all we are in very different fields but make no mistake it doesn't work in mine
anyway don't take it all too personally its only a tiny bit of a very big picture
07-03-2013 10:17 AM
o1marc Sorry, didn't read all the posts here. I have had nothing but positive results from DynaBeads.
07-03-2013 10:07 AM
ForceFed86
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Originally Posted by o1marc View Post
I'm surprised with your results at 137mph and a big ***slick. I assume you are drag racing? The Dyna Beads instructions highly recommends they not be used in racing situations especially drag racing.
I'm sure dyna bead has to claim that for liability purposes.

I didn't use dyna beads. I used 4.5oz of airsoft pellets in each tire.

Without some sort of bead lock it's very typical for a tire to slip on the rim when drag racing. So the typical spin balance doesn't work well for us. Myself and and many others at our track use the airsoft pellets and they work great.

Honestly I've "spin balanced" a few slicks/drag radials and they didn't perform that badly. A little wobble on the big end of the track is normal. As I had said back in my original post on this thread I think one of the slicks were just beyond what a standard balance could compensate for. I was very suprised the beads not only "fixed" the issue, but the car acted better than ever before at speed. My next step was just to junk both slicks so a $4 airsoft pellet experiment was worth it IMO.
07-03-2013 09:33 AM
o1marc
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceFed86 View Post
So lets get this straight.

1.) You didn't put the "compound" material in your tires.

2.) You don't know what "compound" was used or how much?

Yet you can claim that all tire balance beads are total crap and can't work properly when like a million people have been using it for decades and claim it works. I personally have used them and they worked great in my application.

It's very simple physics and works just fine in a "real world setting". Ie smooth as glass at 137mph in a big *** slick. Did you look at the video above? A caveman could understand it. The fact that you cant scares me a bit.

I'm surprised with your results at 137mph and a big ***slick. I assume you are drag racing? The Dyna Beads instructions highly recommends they not be used in racing situations especially drag racing.
07-03-2013 06:53 AM
ForceFed86
Quote:
Originally Posted by strobe View Post
My experience backs up what forestrytodd says ie this concept is junk
It was put in the front tyres of my Scania 124 without me knowing and immediately on long haul work(smooth road- constant speeds) at 56mph there was a wobble on the front axle that would come and go at regular intervals(as the compound aggregated itself into one place and then would spread out again and the wobble would go away before repeating the cycle again . . .and again and again and again until it drove me so mad wondering what the hell could be doing this. I finally went to a proper tyre shop who asked if it had compound in the tyres at which point I said "has it got WHAT!" so after taking the crap out they balanced the wheels the proper way with weights and it's been silk ever since DONT GO NEAR THE STUFF anybody with high school physics will know its it cant work in a real world setting (on paper maybe)
So lets get this straight.

1.) You didn't put the "compound" material in your tires.

2.) You don't know what "compound" was used or how much?

Yet you can claim that all tire balance beads are total crap and can't work properly when like a million people have been using it for decades and claim it works. I personally have used them and they worked great in my application.

It's very simple physics and works just fine in a "real world setting". Ie smooth as glass at 137mph in a big *** slick. Did you look at the video above? A caveman could understand it. The fact that you cant scares me a bit.
07-03-2013 02:58 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxstrobe
balancing beads/compound

My experience backs up what forestrytodd says ie this concept is junk
It was put in the front tyres of my Scania 124 without me knowing and immediately on long haul work(smooth road- constant speeds) at 56mph there was a wobble on the front axle that would come and go at regular intervals(as the compound aggregated itself into one place and then would spread out again and the wobble would go away before repeating the cycle again . . .and again and again and again until it drove me so mad wondering what the hell could be doing this. I finally went to a proper tyre shop who asked if it had compound in the tyres at which point I said "has it got WHAT!" so after taking the crap out they balanced the wheels the proper way with weights and it's been silk ever since DONT GO NEAR THE STUFF anybody with high school physics will know its it cant work in a real world setting (on paper maybe)
10-02-2012 01:18 PM
ForceFed86 If old Bill down at the piggly wiggly says it don't work....

Common sense and first hand experiance with the product tells me otherwise. Still using this stuff in my slicks, works great!

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