|08-12-2013 06:33 PM|
|dwwl||That looks like a lot of fun rebuilding that lower. If I have to rebuild mine again i'll have to do that, so i'll have extra fun. I will remember that doubling of wave spring trick. I haven't had the clunk, but i'll remember it. I did double up the gear selector spring which made shifting gears stiffer, and I like that. I,v e applied that trick to my stand by tranny as well. I used the deep pan and put the filter on the bottom of the pan by putting 3/4 inch spacer cut from a filler tube seal. fit like a glove. I've modified that filter three times now and this turned out the best. Love hearing about all the different things done to these 200-4r's.|
|08-04-2013 10:43 AM|
How is your build coming along?
I was able to get a smoking deal on a torque converter for mine and the selectives and washer kit came to try to tighten up my lower section. I ended up putting red Raybestos stage 1 clutches in the direct and tan borg warner in the rest of the places, and got a black carbon band. I got the bearing set from here
Transmission Bearing KIT, 2004R, 1976-85, 6 Bearings 54201B
to replace the roller bearings. There is a bushing in the lower planet that is recommended to be replaced with a bearing
and the one in the other planetary was fun too as I found it necessary to remove the planets to get old out and new in.
You haven't had fun until you did this.
I was also told to double up the wave spring on the low/rev piston to soften the 'clunk' as it goes into reverse.
|07-22-2013 08:29 PM|
|dwwl||No, you've got a good core. A 86 or87 would of had some minor upgrades, but if you rebuild with some new better hard parts, bigger valves and better clutches and upgraded pump, you could have a good tranny. Your tranny should have the governor set up for (calibrated) for 3.73 gears. Stator tube should be replaced, when you upgrade the pump. I went overboard on my build of my second tranny. Its the one I put in my nova. It got 5 forward, 9 direct, 3 overrun, 3 fourth clutches and wide 2nd band. I know some say that the thin steels are subject to heat warping, but I run low thermostat, deep pan and large coolers. You got to remember, you're going to have to spend time on the minor little things to make this all work. You will have to move the cross member back and drill new holes. I had to even notch the tang on the cross member so I could reach one of the pan bolts. Nothing is easy. If you don't like the challenge, for get it. Good luck.|
|07-22-2013 08:35 AM|
|07-21-2013 08:06 PM|
|dwwl||The cq was from a ss monte from 1984 or 5. Its ok, but its one of the early versions of the 200 4r. Its a good rebuilder if you throw some bigger valves, better red clutches and upgraded the pump. Don't go cheap on it or you will pay later. You need to read up on the 200 before you rebuild it. I up the clutch count on mine. I rebuilt the pump to 10 vane from 7. Hardened rings and relieved it. I can tell you that if you use the bigger valves, do not drill out the separator plate if you use the bigger 2nd gear servo, or you will get shifts that are a little rough. Just revamped a deep pan for my toy. I even built my own deep filter so it sits on the bottom of the pan. I didn't like the idea of using the 700 filter. I liked the idea of the 200 filter feeding from the top, but sitting on the bottom of the pan. That way the garbage won't be sucked into the filter. It took a while to get it figured out, but it worked fine. Have fun with it. I've even got a spare one I rebuilt.|
|07-21-2013 04:24 PM|
|zildjian4life218||I came across a second core today. The code is 5cq. Malibu racing says its from an ss. Is there anything in it that makes it stronger or more desirable?|
|12-12-2012 10:02 AM|
|dwwl||i rebuilt my own 200 4r and its been working just fine. read the book read the book. take your time, keep it in order. keep it clean, and double ckeck everthing (twice). talked to a tranny fella and he told me how people started working on their own tranny and then screwed it up and then thought he could fix it. I'm retired so time wasn't a problem. while my toy stayed warm in the garage, i built the tranny. lots of fun. so much so, that i built a second one. extra clutches bigger valves upgraded relieved pump now that i've done mine, i can't figure out why more of us are not using the 200 4r. IL kept my 350 tranny put away incase my kids someday want to put it back to stock after im gone. but for now i've got my cake (tranny) and eating (driving) it to.|
|11-03-2012 10:21 AM|
also, this. Kinda long but it has a bunch of part numbers and such. I signed up for the mailing list but was unable to find his posts on the build from he77. Maybe someone else has a link.
The Monte Carlo Mailing List: Tech Articles
|11-03-2012 07:14 AM|
I want to give a big thanks to SSedan64 for the input. Great info.
Also I have run across another information packed place and while not 200 4r specific it does have some info on clutches and how they have different purposes and needs.
700R4 4L60E 4L80E How To Build High Performance Transmission III - Trutechtrans.com
There are several parts to the article but this is wwhere static and dynamic are discussed.
I have come across several different bands and would like some input. Both appear to be the 2 1/4" wide variety but have different clutch material.
Red Alto appears cheaper But I have read of the carbon metallic being "the next best thing to sliced bread".
Blue Plate Clutches from Raybestos? Any input?
|10-27-2012 04:19 AM|
Not sure who makes the Forward Drums on Jake's site, don't have any Info about them.
|10-24-2012 08:33 PM|
|10-24-2012 08:20 PM|
Low budget at this time for me. Our oldest daughter went to college this fall. Money isn't something I have much of right now. I just want to get mine rolling again.
|10-24-2012 07:24 PM|
|10-22-2012 05:41 PM|
I was given the tip about the bucket on one of those links. Another is to use a brake drum that the tail fits in but I didn't have one. Check out the gnttype.org link. He has some very good tips for reassembly. I am going to place a call to David Husek when I get to the reassembly stage. I think mine has been overhauled before as the clutches look pretty new.
Mine will go into my Regal. It has a 700r4 in it now but came with a 2004r when it was new.
It is a turbo v6.
|10-22-2012 02:12 PM|
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