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12-24-2012 05:12 PM
deadbodyman
Hinge pin replacement problems

Well I got my door off and the paint stripped .Then went to replace the pins and bushings and ran into a problem...First off the door side of the hinge is welded to the door,not a biggie but a bit of a pita..the main problem is the top hinge has two pins and they're a lot fatter than your normal pin and bushing,as expected they are unavailable from the parts stores and the dealer cant get them either so I had to figure out how to convert the hinge to the standaed GM pin & bushing...I figure the best way is to punch a plug the right size to fit in the bushing hole and drill it to the new size....so since theres no way to drill the new bushing hole in the welded on side of the hinge while its welded on the door and I'm NOT removing the hinge because of the time it'll take to drill out those 4 huge welds so I'll drill a hole into a 1/4" piece of steel first thats the right size for the new bushing then using a hydrallic press, punch out a blank that fits the old big bushing hole and it'll have the new hole already in it.then I'll weld it in...when I actually do it I'll take a few pics so you camaro guys can do a hinge rebuild using standard pins and bushings for 10.00 insted of having to buy a whole new hinge....

If any of you guys have ever done the pins & bushing on one of these and know an easier way or where to get these bushings Please let us know...
12-23-2012 07:11 AM
deadbodyman As long as theres old cars theres always hope for father son relationships...
12-23-2012 07:03 AM
69 widetrack Your right Mike, my son loves cars, no doubt, he's a great enthusiest...but didn't have the patience required to learn the little things, he, as a lot of people, wanted things to happen right away. He went into engineering...(I know, talk about little details and things) and is doing quit well. When he graduated he came up to me with his diploma and said, "look Dad, I'm an engineer". I was very proud of the kid but, took him aside and told him that that diploma meant that he had met the minimum requirements to be an engineer and he would learn a lot more working in the field than he ever learned in University. He looked at me kinda like...but...Dad...look what I did...I congratulated him and told him I was proud of him. It took a few years but I finally got a phone call and he told me that what I told him about meeting the minimum requirements had always P.O.ed him and stayed in the back of his mind until he realized that I was right. He thanked me for telling him that and now understood that it wasn't a put down, it was more of a heads up.

He recently bought a 70 Challenger and is in the process of restoring it. He asked if he could lean on me for help and I jumped at the chance. I haven't seen the car yet (he lives across the country from me) but I'm taking a tour this Summer and will spend a week in Alberta with him and his Challenger.
12-23-2012 06:44 AM
deadbodyman And then theresMy son...At 16he could tell you about what option came with almost any carand tell you all about ithe was really into cars which isnt a bad thing but I never wanted him in this businessbut he absolutely no intrests in anything else so ,knowing he had to do something I to develop that into something he could use in life as incomeand brought him to the shop and realized within a week he wasnt into the working part at all ,he lasted about 6 monthsI had to accept that this wasnt for him so when the time came for him to leave I wasnt surprised at all.I always worried tha he would find his *thing*but had to let him go his own way as I had donefortunately for me I knew what I wanted to do at 14...Well as it turns out I was right to let him go his own way hes one hell of a chef and can wash anything off his hands at work in a couple seconds...
I had the benifit of having the same thing happen to me with my own father,grooming me for a career in electronics.I really thought that was what I was going to do for a living even built a 100 stereo amplifier at 14 out of old TV parts from junk piles,that is, until I bought a 55 chevy at 15 and it was all over, I knew I found my click...Man, was my Dad pissed,he tried everything to get me back on his track and his planfor me but I never caved and stuck with it..It kinda ruined my relationship with my Dad and theres no way I would do this with my own son. Now days he loves doing bodywrk ,as a hobbie and I still love doing my electronic work as a hobbie....Its kinda funny how things have a way of coming around on you...
12-22-2012 09:20 AM
69 widetrack Mike, I can't believe this, (actually I can) I just PMed you about a story I wanted to tell you over a pop and it's about the same thing.

I hired a guy in Victoria BC in 1978 as a retail sales guy, he started one morning and at 10 Am he asked me if he could talk to me. I listened to what he had to say and he told me that this job wasn't for him and he wanted to quit because the veteran staff was riding him pretty hard. I told him that I'd watch and take care of things as they came along and at least work till noon...Sure enough the older guys where giving him a hard time and I took them aside and suggested they back off. At noon, my new guy came up to me again and said he really wanted to quit...now the older guys wouldn't even talk to him, if he had a question they told him that maybe he should run to Daddy, (Me). I laughed and again, reassured him that I would take care of it and to finish out the day as he was here already...I saw a lot of potential in this kid and wanted to see what was going to happen...At about 2 PM one of the older techs (that had been giving my new employee a hard time) had a job and came up to me and asked where the ball joints where for the car we just put 4 tires on and that we needed to get them ordered right away if we wanted that car to leave by 5 PM. The new guy calmly walked by and in a quiet voice with no malice told the tech that he put the ball joints on his parts cart 20 minutes earlier. At the end of the day the new employee came up to me and thanked me for the opportunity and said that he wouldn't be coming back in in the morning. I told him that that was fine, but, that I guess I was wrong about him and that I wished him well and shook his hand. The employee then asked what I meant about being wrong about him...I told him that I thought he had great potential and that just because some guys gave him a ribbing he needed to toughen up a bit if he was going to make it anywhere...My new guy agreed to come back the next day, and the next and after the week was over he told me he was starting to enjoy the job. After 35 years, he's now the manager running and running a very profitable operation.

I still keep in touch and as your 16 year old apprentice, he still appreciates to this day that I didn't let him walk. What I saw in that kid 35 years ago was how he intently listened to every word anybody told him, this told me that he had the desire, even when he wasn't comfortable with his surroundings, I never saw him standing still...always working. He sold 12 tires on his first day, that told me he had the ability...all that was missing was the confidence and when a person has 3 excellent qualities and is only missing one...you've got an individual that can be molded and become productive, for the company and for himself.

I went back to BC in 2006 and had a long visit with this man and as with your 16 year old apprentice, he told me that, that day drastically changed his life and thanked me for it.

Ray
12-22-2012 07:01 AM
deadbodyman [quote=69 widetrack;1624998]
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That really looks great,One of the signs of a great paint and bodyman is they always want the next one better than the last one,even if the last one was 99.9% perfect...It reminds me of the drag racers always trying to get that extra 1/10th of a second shaved off...were never satisfied...
I agree you have the natural talent and the eye...
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You nailed it Mike.

The hardest painter to train is the one that thinks everything he does is perfect...then there's no room for improvement in that painter...the easiest is the one who picks out things in his own work and asks why, and how questions on how to improve...As I've said before on this forum, one major difference between painters and applicators is that a painter gives a damn, an applicator says "the customer won't see it outside".

Ray
Hey Ray ,I was training a new guy (16yr old or so) who was working for me to do body work and he was getting pretty good ..One day he checked out his work after I painted the car like he always did and saw a lump where he fixed a dent and blew a gasket. he came to me all upset because the other guys were busting he nads and said he just cant do this any more, all the time he spent learning and doing his best was all for nothing ,he was almost in tears...I told him that wasnt hes fault it was mine ,I saw that before I painted the car and it was acceptable for that old beater otherwise I would have pulled it back into his bay,and dont worry about those jokers, if things ever got to where I only needed one guy it would be him that I kept because he cared so much about his work and always went above and beyond what was expected of him and at his own expence... those other jokers see that and it worries them because they dont care they only do it for a check at the end of the week...
I was right ,a few years later he was a fantastic bodyman and a pretty good painter too.I ran into him one day and he told me I changed his whole life that day,he didnt know where he would be if he had quit....
what a good feeling it was to be a positive influance in someones life and to be rememberd for doing something so significant in someones life that I had completely forgot about 5 min after I said it that day...
BTW those other two ,I think they're in jail or something
12-20-2012 03:03 PM
novafreek6872
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Originally Posted by kevs79 View Post
Nice job!! I noticed you mentioned you were using a LVLP gun, but I could not find what gun. What gun did you use?
Thanks. google warwick 904L... good gun and very low overspray runs a little over $100
12-20-2012 01:32 PM
kevs79 Nice job!! I noticed you mentioned you were using a LVLP gun, but I could not find what gun. What gun did you use?
12-20-2012 08:56 AM
69 widetrack [QUOTE=deadbodyman;1624943]That really looks great,One of the signs of a great paint and bodyman is they always want the next one better than the last one,even if the last one was 99.9% perfect...It reminds me of the drag racers always trying to get that extra 1/10th of a second shaved off...were never satisfied...
I agree you have the natural talent and the eye...
[
You nailed it Mike.

The hardest painter to train is the one that thinks everything he does is perfect...then there's no room for improvement in that painter...the easiest is the one who picks out things in his own work and asks why, and how questions on how to improve...As I've said before on this forum, one major difference between painters and applicators is that a painter gives a damn, an applicator says "the customer won't see it outside".

Ray
12-20-2012 07:25 AM
novafreek6872 Hey Mike,

Yea the doors ARE a mother! Now, I did not pull the glass on mine, although I did remove the "vent window" << (ha dont know what that piece is called), the outside mirror, the door handles and loosened up the lock cylinder (shoulda just removed it), also the GFX piece that goes down low on the door.

The WORST part of all of it was the window felt piece, some of those screws were a ****** to get to with the window installed. I got it all back together, just need to stick the interior door panels back on now. If you need new window felts a place called A1 auto has the best deal, cost around $70 for both and they are great quality.

Andy
12-20-2012 05:41 AM
deadbodyman That really looks great,One of the signs of a great paint and bodyman is they always want the next one better than the last one,even if the last one was 99.9% perfect...It reminds me of the drag racers always trying to get that extra 1/10th of a second shaved off...were never satisfied...
I agree you have the natural talent and the eye...
Mine is just sittin again with the front sheetmetal stripped and epoxied... hey those doors are a mother to take apart and pull the glass,one of the toughest I've done,everything is rivited...
12-19-2012 05:52 PM
69 widetrack We all can do better...and that's what keeps the people that strive for perfection going...I'm sure the next one will be killer, you've got more than the bug...you've got talent and that comes from giving a damn.

Good attitude on selling the car, I know it took a bit of time but you should make some respectable coin.

Best to you and your family this Christmas my friend.

Ray
12-19-2012 05:45 PM
novafreek6872
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Originally Posted by 69 widetrack View Post
Looks great Andy, congratulations and sincere Kudos on a job well done, love the reflection...it's gonna be hard to sell it now...right?

Ray
Thanks Ray, I appreciate all your advice it really helped me alot... I'm happy with how its turning out, I could have done better (spent more time on it) , but its very decent all things considered... The next one ( don't know what or when that will be), will really be something because I finally figured out how to get my new gun set up!!

And , NO, I wont be upset to sell it for the right price... , Although I do really love the car (youthful memories)... but they are plentiful and cheap so Im sure another will come along

Andy
12-19-2012 04:36 PM
69 widetrack Looks great Andy, congratulations and sincere Kudos on a job well done, love the reflection...it's gonna be hard to sell it now...right?

Ray
12-19-2012 04:32 PM
novafreek6872 Almost done now... I got my satin black areas painted today as well as recleared a mirror (had some dry spray) and based and cleared the chin spoiler (on the car)...came out really good, I think I finally got the gun adjustment right...course it had to be on the last thing I painted on this project!!! Waiting on stripes that go around the bottom of the car and IROC-Z door decals...should be here any day.



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