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04-03-2013 10:03 AM
S10xGN
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Originally Posted by mbida View Post
Yes I realize it's five years old, but he must have been ahead of his time.
The OP logged on here a few hours after your post, maybe he saw this and will give us all an update...

Russ
04-02-2013 09:00 AM
mbida Yes I realize it's five years old, but he must have been ahead of his time.
04-02-2013 06:44 AM
S10xGN
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Originally Posted by mbida View Post
Hi, Any progress pictures of the Rambler? Mike
You know this thread is 5 years old, right?

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Originally Posted by ramzoom View Post
Turn out that the Mustang II for a 40-41 Willys has the same inside to inside frame rail width as the stock Rambler Americans 58-60.
Use narrow a-arms to get -5/8 on ea. end to get your track width
9" rotors instead of the usual 11"

We will be installing this front end next week..I'll keep everyone ( that cares)
posted.

Thanks for all the posts!
I'm curious as well, I have a '63 American that I'm going to be swapping front ends on soon. I have an M-II style clip from RCMotorsports in my Maverick and they have agreed to build one for my Rambler when I get to that point. The rails are the same width on the Maverick, my rotisserie bolted right up with one new hole per side to match the bumper bracket spacing. Here are pix of the RCM front clip and my American...

Russ
04-01-2013 03:17 PM
mbida
Progress

Hi, Any progress pictures of the Rambler? Mike
04-26-2008 07:33 PM
matt167
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Originally Posted by tomslik
ahh, ok.
the 58-63's really that big?
been a while since i've been that close to one

btw, i'm out in the shop right now stripping a 67 front end...

I can't find a picture right now but yes there huge, the 196 is the only AMC engine that will fit
04-26-2008 02:39 PM
tomslik
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Originally Posted by matt167
no I thought you were talking about swapping a Falcon front end in... and I have a '65 American 330 in my fleet also.. reason I said to swap in a '64 up American front end in was it's a better unit, that in the later years got optional V8's from the factory... also, the shock towers on the '64 ups are minuscule compared to the huge inner fender wells/ shock towers that the '58-'63's had

ahh, ok.
the 58-63's really that big?
been a while since i've been that close to one

btw, i'm out in the shop right now stripping a 67 front end...
04-26-2008 08:57 AM
matt167
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Originally Posted by tomslik
you said:"I'd try fitting in a '64 up Rambler American front suspension"

and i said:"what would you be gaining doing that?
shock/spring towers are still there..."

are you saying 64-69 americans have no shock towers?
i can prove you wrong IF that's what you're saying...
guess i'm not sure what you were getting at..

no I thought you were talking about swapping a Falcon front end in... and I have a '65 American 330 in my fleet also.. reason I said to swap in a '64 up American front end in was it's a better unit, that in the later years got optional V8's from the factory... also, the shock towers on the '64 ups are minuscule compared to the huge inner fender wells/ shock towers that the '58-'63's had
04-25-2008 06:05 PM
tomslik you said:"I'd try fitting in a '64 up Rambler American front suspension"

and i said:"what would you be gaining doing that?
shock/spring towers are still there..."

are you saying 64-69 americans have no shock towers?
i can prove you wrong IF that's what you're saying...
guess i'm not sure what you were getting at..
04-25-2008 03:18 PM
matt167
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Originally Posted by tomslik
what would you be gaining doing that?
shock/spring toweres are still there...
That's why I said that I would not reccomend that.. I have a '67 Falcon and I wish the shock towers were not there. I'm running a turbo and I had to do some crazy exhaust routing to make the turbo fit.
04-24-2008 03:55 AM
tomslik
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Originally Posted by matt167
I don't think I'd use an early Falcon chassis front end myself.. it was a simple system that is effective. changing shocks is the easiest as they come out the top. but it's really not the best and the shock towers limit engine space I'd try fitting in a '64 up Rambler American front suspension

what would you be gaining doing that?
shock/spring toweres are still there...
04-23-2008 07:46 AM
matt167 I don't think I'd use an early Falcon chassis front end myself.. it was a simple system that is effective. changing shocks is the easiest as they come out the top. but it's really not the best and the shock towers limit engine space I'd try fitting in a '64 up Rambler American front suspension
04-23-2008 06:37 AM
farna I definitely want to see pics and get any unusual details! Having to use the small rotors leads me to believe you need deep offset wheels too. Not a real problem though. With the small rotors there's no real advantage to the MII on the Rambler -- you can use 11" rotors with the stock suspension.

With the popularity of the MII conversion everyone seems to have forgotten that it's not really that great a suspension, it was just easy to adapt to straight axle cars. The original purpose of the adaptation was to get rid of the straight axle for a better (and usually lower) ride. Everyone's gone MII crazy now -- it's not a custom or hot rod without one, it seems!

Nevertheless, I get questions about fitting it to the small American (58-63) all the time! Mostly because people look at the trunnions and think they need to be replaced (they're actually STRONGER than ball joints!). Some do need the extra room in the engine bay though. If I were replacing the stock suspension with no or few body mods, I'd use an early Mustang strut conversion instead of an MII though.
04-17-2008 11:56 PM
ramzoom
Mustang II

Turn out that the Mustang II for a 40-41 Willys has the same inside to inside frame rail width as the stock Rambler Americans 58-60.
Use narrow a-arms to get -5/8 on ea. end to get your track width
9" rotors instead of the usual 11"

We will be installing this front end next week..I'll keep everyone ( that cares)
posted.

Thanks for all the posts!
04-16-2008 11:23 AM
farna The crossmemebr won't fit the 58-63 Rambler American -- totally different car than the 64-69. A Mustang II crossmember won't fit either one -- the front chassis rails are too narrow in the Ramblers, the rail is where the MII spring needs to be. I've seen one that had new rails made from square tubing welded inside the originals, then the original rails notched out, but wasn't done very well.

My advice would be to cut the front completely off the Rambler and make mounting points for an early Chevy II front frame clip. That would get you MII suspension AND mounts for the SBC.

If you don't want to do all that rebuild the Rambler front suspension. The trunnions are odd, but completely capable of supporting a SBC. The old flat-head six is only about 40 pounds lighter -- it's a HEAVY six! I have some pics of a 62 Rambler wheel stander with an SBC, back halved, using stock front suspension with some additional bracing under the hood (between spring towers and from towers to center of firewall). The inner wheel panels had the "humps" above the suspension mounting points cut off and flat metal welded in. The humps are leftovers from the 50-53 Nash Rambler, no longer needed. He then cut the side panels just enough behind the suspension to use Chevy II "over the rail" type headers. Really neat car! I can give you tips on rebuilding the suspension if needed -- parts are still available. The 50-55 Nash Rambler and 58-63 AMC Rambler American are basically the same mechanically, just a few minor changes and different outer skin. Glass all interchanges between like body styles.
04-10-2008 07:52 AM
matt167 I See.. but you know, in a round about way the factory did it in '69.. the Rouge was the platform for the Hurst S/C Rambler and the Rouge was an American.. theres probably some way to do what you want with factory Rambler parts, well, aside from using a SBC, cause you might run into firewall clearence w/ the distributor, but that's an easy fix.


I have a '65 American 330 that I'm considering swapping in a EFI 302 in, right now it has a compleatly sound 196 6cyl, so I probably won't unless somthing happens to the 196. it's just a daily driver
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