|12-31-2005 12:16 AM|
we are way off track here
I dont know much(anything) about your painting project. But go to the local napa(see phone book for paint supplyers in your area). Ask for the paint guy...Tell him what you want to do, what stuff youve got. He wont be a great expert probably but should be able to get you started. As you get more experienced then you can experiment with other stuff and supplyers. Dont buy anything when you first visit, his paint gun is probably really high and a quart of epoxy($50??) and Quart of base($50) and maybe some clear($50) I just picked up some fullthane dupont nason...thats what the local place sold. This is not quite right for a truck probably but I paid $34 Quart for the paint plus more $ for the activator stuff. If you go to dupont or ppg home you should be able to find the "p-sheet" which will give you good general guidelines. Like most thing of skill there are many ways of doing it. Unless you really know what you are doing, follow the p-sheet and go with what the "guy" tells you. Oh and ask about isocyanates!!! they are supposed to be really bad news??? The guy will have what you need.
|12-29-2005 08:21 PM|
|chadsbodyshop49119||I agree to, but there were some irrational posts.. I've used many different things too and most seem to work well.. good luck to you whatever you choose..|
|12-29-2005 08:11 PM|
|baddbob||Ricco, I agree. We all come here to learn and share. It just pisses me off when somebody comes in spouting off and bashing people. No good comes of it. It's just a waste of time. I'm done.|
|12-29-2005 08:03 PM|
Guys I'm new here and don't really understand what all the fuss is about.
I have used a lot of different primers and all have worked rather well for me. To be honest I could give a hoot what anybody else decides to use.
I don't recommend any products be it guns or paint. All I do is state what I choose to use . Would I tell anyone here to use Kirker epoxy or Mar-hyde poly primer or Zero Rust Nope not me. But I do use all three and also use HOK and Auto Air . I also use some PPG products and many more. I use almost every brand of filler there is too . SPI must be good a lot of guys here seem to like it. Good for them what works for you go with it.
I'm not involved in this fight going on but I will choose my own products to use. I could care less if no one here uses Kirker or SPI. Neither one puts any money in this old boys wallet. I will post here from time to time and take advice and give a little. But I'm not getting involved in any schoolyard spats.
I'm too old and too tired for that kind of stuff.
|12-29-2005 07:58 PM|
|chadsbodyshop49119||Lol.... Now that i do have to say that I find ammusing...sorry..|
|12-29-2005 07:48 PM|
let her have her fun.
|12-29-2005 07:36 PM|
|chadsbodyshop49119||I Second that bob.. this isn't the only thread I see Esty slammin barry,, I wonder what's up with that.. oh well.. I'll stick with My Spi either way...|
|12-29-2005 07:29 PM|
Well, I was the first person to respond to the question. I made a product suggestion based on quality and it's economical value. I made the recomendation based on my experiences using the product knowing the user will be satisfied with it's performance, plain and simple. Are there other epoxy primers that could be used?-For sure! Are there better epoxy primers that could be used?-I don't think so! I haven't found any better yet.
The second post on this thread is from Esty, putting down Barry K and makes fun of anyone who suggests the use of SPI. And then goes on- Quote:
(anyway a good, inexpensive product that's available online try HERE...they sell several popular brands, and if you'll look around, you'll find a line that sells paints. clears and all the best primers for the money
and while you're on that website take a look at the KIRKER brand...it's absolutely the best bang for the buck..if you want a good product for your money, check it out...they carry everything from the primers you'll need to a fullline of paints and clears.....)
Folks, there's something personal here between Esty and SPI products, although she's admitted to never using the products she puts them down and suggests Kirker. There's some serious problems with just about every post made by Esty IMO, she starts brand warfare. Had she been the first to make a product suggestion would I have slammed her if she recomended Kirker? Helll No! Did I slam Kirker in any way? Hell No! Notice she doesn't jump in and offer any technical support ever, no how to's, no new proceedures, no positive advice for the benifit of the members here. Instead it's always just bashing. Pure crap and that's all...
Today, my Son and I built subframe connectors for the 70 Nova he's been working on, a weld in design of our own that inserts and welds into the rear rails and bolts to the front subframe so the subframe can still be removed from the car. Esty, what did you do today? Bob
|12-29-2005 11:07 AM|
I could n't agree more. Even more important than using top shelf materials is just reading the tech sheets and following instructions. Man the problems guys would solve just by doing that.
Of course when I was a youngster I didn't do it either . I think a lot of the young guys are much better than most of us older guys were at the same age. JMHO Ricco
|12-29-2005 10:08 AM|
Frankly myself I work for a distributor of paint and body shop equipment and when we can get the end user to use the better lines of paint they get better results as the better stuff covers better..does not have as much shrinkage problems..easier to work with..just a better deal ..And they do wind up saving money by needing less material..
We do carry some value lines for the ole guys that know exactly what they like and want to use..
I do not do online sales as we have found it preferable to be able to "be there" for our customers..And this is not an ad for services!!
Now on this particular truck without seeing it I would recommend giving it a severe scrubbing with a wax and grease remover..then sanding it out..doing any metal work that is needed..then prime and paint..I would not try to remove all the paint to bare metal..do that in the places where it is needed for reasons of rust or metal repair..
A lot of the guys do most of this by hand and only have a small compressor..kind of primitive compared to what is in major collision shops but given that they so some very nice work..
Now these are the guys who do read Instructions and follow recommendations as to how to do the job..
Some of these guys put out show winning jobs just because they pay attention to detail..
|12-29-2005 10:06 AM|
|esty||Esty, I warned you about personal attacks. This is your LAST warning.|
|12-29-2005 10:02 AM|
New member and wasn't going to post about this but have to. I'm been in this hobby for 50 years and have used a lot of different materials from a lot of different companies.
Right now I use kirker epoxy and mar-hyde quicksand for all my primer needs. Good stuff at the right price. I'm new here and hope to hang around.
I just don't understand all this BS about what a guy decides to use. I will never ask anyone what I should use and don't like to recommend what to use either. I'm sure SPI products are good ones. I have never used them because unable to get them here in NJ. For BC myself have sort of switched to Auto Air really like it. My favorite clear is HOK but have had good luck with Kirker and PPG too. Not recommending any of the above. But come on guys knocking a product isn't the way to go. Not trying to add gas to the flame here . Just wanted to let people know there is a whole lot of good stuff out there. And yes i do go to a lot of other sites . JMO Ricco
|12-29-2005 09:54 AM|
T minus 3 and counting.....
|12-29-2005 09:34 AM|
|12-29-2005 09:21 AM|
and another thing....
could you please point out where i've ever slam'd "SPI stuff".....i could be accused of slamming barry.....but you're inserting your own gray matter into what i've actually said...read my 1st response again...i don't see any slam against the product...just my opinion of it's availability and the arrogant & sarcastic attitude of the owner...
and if i've got poop on my nose, it ain't kirker, it would be the dupont i used yesterday
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