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11-09-2013 06:14 PM
hduff
Quote:
Originally Posted by timothale View Post
someone posted how to take an old propane bottle and fill it with kitty litter for the first stage moisture trap.

Here's something similar that is used for the final moistute trap.
10-28-2013 09:16 AM
timothale
plasma info

If you buy a plasma you NEED DRY AIR. My 5 hp verticle air compressor has an automatic drain, but a little bit of moisture did $ 100 damage to the tips in about 2 seconds. someone posted how to take an old propane bottle and fill it with kitty litter for the first stage moisture trap. I have the fittings on one but have been too busy on the farm and trying to get the retirement home we are building ready for winter.
10-28-2013 01:29 AM
WenchDeal I've taken a gander at some in stores yet am not certain what sort of HP or amps or whatever possible evaluations that will be sufficient for metal meeting expectations....
11-28-2007 11:50 AM
Beenaway2long 71-

I have a fully equipped shop, and honestly, I dont think I utilize 10% of it to its fullest capacity. I would hazzard a guess that maybe 1% of the guys with the tools use them effectively. (here comes the flame throwers...)

Here are the "must haves" for what you are doing. And doing it from the cheap seats (low $$ budget)

1.) 4" H-F grinder $9.99 on sale. BUY TWO!! Set one up for cutting, one for
grinding. (You'll graduate to flapwheels, and hit Nirvanna!)
2.) GOOD Variable speed REVERSABLE electric drill. Yeah, yeah, battery drills
are great, but they dont have the guts to keep up with you. I have a 18v
DeWalt, and it still wont keep up with a junk $20 electric drill. Air drills
are worthless, IMO.
3.) Rigid framed hacksaw. Again, from the low buck, but they work. For
$20.00, best money spent. Next best is a METAL CUTTING vertical. Jet
or even from Graingers, the Daytons.
They work awesome. Those $100 horiontals are junk IMO, and need
constant tuning to get square cuts. Most guys use it like a cut off saw.
Use a hacksaw, if thats all you use it for. Or an abrasive wheel chop
saw. Horrible Fright makes a circular saw for metal. That works
AWESOME, and goes on sale for $69. Its worth 3x what the bandsaw is.
Too bad they cant adapt that to a cutoff saw. Clean cuts.
4.) Tubing Bender: Dude, the cash you save here, you can put you through
the next semester. Make a posterboard template. Take it to your local
stock car fabricator. There are tons of them out there. If you bring the
tubing, most times the guys will do it for a case of beer. The template
assures the fit. You wont have to go any further, to find out of it works.
PLUS, the guy already blew through HIS tubing to learn the bend radius,
waste, etc., let alone keeping 2 opposing bends on the same plane. At
$3.50+/- per foot of 1.625 x .134 EWS Roll bar tubing, you dont want to
waste the extra cash. You will find that paper templates are PROBABLY
the BEST tool you can have in your shop.
5.) Old seaming pliers. If you need to do ANY tinwork, these are irreplaceable,
and you can get them for next to nothing. They come up to 24" wide,
and will turn a flange in seconds. I've seen them on EBAY with no bids
many times. The old roofers used to use them.


Dont get wrapped up in the tool you think you need. Use what you HAVE(That would be that mush under your ball cap). You will find that by using your mind, instead of your wallet, there is alot less useless "junk" sitting around doing nothing.

And being in college, buy the absolute BEST tool you can afford when buying. Its cheaper in the long run. You only will but it once.


Side note: On Metalmeet.com, there is a fellow from Pakistan, named Ersahnni(sp?). Absolutely incredible what he produces with a broken claw hammer, hacksaw BLADE. A broken file, broken drill bits, and general stuff you would find in the trash. He uses his FEET for a vice to hold his work. I'd love to see him in a decent shop.
11-28-2007 09:59 AM
OneMoreTime
Quote:
Originally Posted by 71gtx
What kind of work do you do? I am going to be drilling through some heavy guage steel. I noticed it had 3/4HP and a lot of steel drill presses through jet were at least 1.5HP. I wonder if that 's the reason.
The 1.5 HP is a production machine as far as I know..I have drilled 3/4 holes in 2" bar stock with mine as well as ran some 3 1/2 hole saws thru 3/16 metal..just be careful to use sharp tools lots of cutting oil and light feed pressure and let the tool do the cutting..Works for me..

Sam
11-28-2007 09:32 AM
71gtx
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneMoreTime
That is similar to what I have and mine does what I need it to do...and the price on that one is a good price..

Sam
What kind of work do you do? I am going to be drilling through some heavy guage steel. I noticed it had 3/4HP and a lot of steel drill presses through jet were at least 1.5HP. I wonder if that 's the reason.
11-27-2007 04:17 PM
RPM I have a JD2 bender and it works great. I have had it about 15 years. If you are planning on building more than one cage I would go with one of these with the hydraulic cyl on it. It can take a lot to bend all those parts for a complete car. You probably won't need more that 2 or 3 different dies. If you start doing jobs for other people then you can buy more dies as the money comes in.

http://www.jd2.com/
11-27-2007 03:46 PM
OneMoreTime That is similar to what I have and mine does what I need it to do...and the price on that one is a good price..

Sam
11-27-2007 03:25 PM
71gtx What do you guys think about this for a drill press:
http://woodworking.jettools.com/Prod...94&Part=354171

It is under woodworking at jettools.com, is there a problem with using it with metal? Reason being because it's normally $350 or so, on sale for $259 at menards.
11-27-2007 08:53 AM
cboy
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Originally Posted by 35WINDOW
I am under the impression from everyone here that this Bender is a POS-cboy, I think this is the unit you are suggesting?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=35336
I have never used the TUBE bender in your first link so can not comment specifically on its quality. The second link is, indeed, the HF PIPE bender I have.

If the fellow you are emailing is able to supply dies for the HF pipe bender at a reasonable cost you might want to try one out. I'd be happy to whip one up for you but his might be more effective and easier to use. I should point out that due to my design (to keep everything solid and aligned) the tighter you make the bend, the more likely the tubing is to get wedged into the die. This is because the tube "bulges" slightly on the sides as it is being bent (the metal has to have SOMEWHERE to go). I've found that on 90 degree bends (plus or minus 10 degrees) the tube can be easily tapped out of the die. However, Ive never tried a 180 degree bend, so can't vouch for how easy it would be to get the tubing out of the die once it has bulged that much.

While I am satisfied with my HF bender and homemade dies, if I had it to do over again I think I would opt for building a unit like Twisted Minis'. In fact, I am seriously thinking about building one for my next project - and the projects to hopefully come after that. TM doesn't have a fortune tied up in it and he does some fantastic bends. And because it is air powered/hydraulic, he's not getting a hernia pulling his bends. But then if you are quite certain that your bending days will be over once you do these 15 or so, then it might not make too much sense to build it or have it built. (Although, I would think it could be sold on ebay after you are done with it so that you would come out ahead of trying to convert over a HF pipe bender.)

Anyhow, just PM me if you decide to go the HF route and you want me to build the die.
11-27-2007 08:06 AM
35WINDOW
Quote:
Originally Posted by cboy
Well, if you have, or want to buy, a HF pipe bender, I'd rustle up a die for ya. You'd have to spring for the shipping, however. Dang things are HEAVY.

cboy,

I really, really appreciate your generosity-thank you very much for the offer-I just might take you up on it-

As I said yesterday, I sent an e-mail to a guy who offers Dies for Hossfeld Bender-

this is it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hossfeld-type-1i...QQcmdZViewItem

Here is his reply:

"If you had a good solid type of bench you could mount the harbor freight bender model 44094-0vga to. That should bend your tube with the dies the way I have them made now. If you go with the pro tools bender that will take some modification to my type of die, although it should be able to be done.Thanks for your interest."

Nice guy-here is the Harbor Freight unit he is suggesting:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/pho...4099/44094.gif

I am under the impression from everyone here that this Bender is a POS-cboy, I think this is the unit you are suggesting?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=35336

I think I may take another go at this gentleman and see if he can build it, as I want to see cboy's progress on his build-I will report back when I get more info-
11-26-2007 07:29 PM
Twisted Minis
Quote:
Originally Posted by 71gtx
Thanks TM, I will most definitely try and build one of them for myself. What kind of equipment did you need to do the build?
You could do it with a drill press and an angle grinder if you're patient. I used a Mill and a band saw.
11-26-2007 06:05 PM
NEW INTERIORS cBoy,That's a good set up you have there.Been wanting to do that for a long time now.Great job!!
11-26-2007 05:33 PM
cboy
Quote:
Originally Posted by 35WINDOW
I wish someone would make a Die for the Harbor Freight unit-at this point it looks like I may have to spend $6-900.00 (or more) to get less than 15 Bends-kinda spendy!
Well, if you have, or want to buy, a HF pipe bender, I'd rustle up a die for ya. You'd have to spring for the shipping, however. Dang things are HEAVY.
11-26-2007 01:15 PM
OneMoreTime I have had dies made and made some special tools and it is time consuming to do that..

I have one of the small harbor frieght bench benders which I made a sq tubing die for..bit primative but works for smaller size tubing..

It is your money or your time..

Sam
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