Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board - Reply to Topic
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Interior> windlace and retainers
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Thread: windlace and retainers Reply to Thread
Title:
  
Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Topic Review (Newest First)
06-16-2009 06:51 AM
DanTwoLakes I'm not arguing, only stating my professional opinion. I don't think WagonMan is wrong, nor do I think I have the only correct answer, I'm only handing out what I believe to be the most logical way of approaching the problem. I have a '56 Nomad coming in next summer, so I'll take lots of pictures.
06-15-2009 10:38 PM
55 Bullit Guys Guys Please don't argue over it it's just a piece of fabric. I think both of you would do a great job on any interior. However, I do thank you both for your help. This thing has been driveing me crazy now for a week now and with your help I think I got it figured out so Thank you both for the pictures and the knowhow. Gene..
06-15-2009 11:41 AM
DanTwoLakes I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying that every old car is slightly different. Yes, I'm sure that little piece of fabric was added as a solution to the gap that was inevitable in some of those cars. I'm only talking about the area that 55bullit was talking about, and my advice to him and to anyone else is still that if there is no gap, no little piece of fabric is necessary. If there is a gap, utilize the piece of fabric.

I'm aware that there were pieces of tack strip sewed to the windlace assembly. BUT, those pieces could be removed from the assembly, clinched down under the tabs that hold them and the entire piece of windlace could be stapled or tacked to the now stationary tackstrips without anyone ever knowing. There is always more than one way to skin a cat, and with upholstery there are usually a dozen different ways. That doesn't make certain ways right or wrong, only different.
06-15-2009 10:47 AM
WagonMan No argument either from this end but if the engineers deemed it necessary to add that last little detail who am I to argue with them. The flap just covers up the inconsistencies of the welding process which was not an exact science back then hence one way to make up for it in this area. If everything was perfect there would be no reason for any adjustments anywhere on a car. Myself, I have been in the business for right at 40 years and have quite a few of the old Chevy's behind me. Sure wish I would have had the for-sight to start to take pictures from the beginning. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this area.

Charles

That piece was also added during the manufacturing of the windlace assembly(as well as several pieces of tack strip that were slid in place and not tacked) and not on a job by job basis.
06-15-2009 09:40 AM
DanTwoLakes I am not trying to argue with you, and I am not disputing the fact that what you have referenced is "the" manual. I have been upholstering auto interiors for over 35 years, and I can tell you that every dash in every 55 through 57 Chevy is not in the exact same spot in every car. Nor is every kick panel retainer strip in exactly the same spot. It is then that common sense must take over. I'll say it again. If there is no gap to cover up between the dash and the "A" pillar, that piece of fabric does not need to be there. I can guarantee you if that was the case when the car was upholstered initially, that piece of fabric would not have been used by whoever was upholstering it at the factory.
06-15-2009 08:50 AM
WagonMan The hardtop uses the same retainer also. The manual I referenced is not just ANY manual, it is THE interior manual produce by the Engineering Division, Fisher Body GM for 1955 Chevrolet and Pontiac and includes all body styles to show how the interior was to be assembled. There is a slight gap that GM thought wise to cover to make a flowing transition between windlace, dash and kick panel unlike today when they just get things close. If you didn't know it was supposed to be there most people probably would not miss it. The picture enclosed is of my still original 56 HT and shows it clearly although the kick panel is gone. The scan is of the page referenced from the mentioned manual.

Charles
06-15-2009 07:07 AM
DanTwoLakes
Quote:
Originally Posted by 55 Bullit
Dan thanks for your help I also forgot to tell you that I have a sedan after looking at about ten cars at differant car shows I only found one that had the fabric That I talked about it goes along the kick panel at the top and in the small channel where the dash meets the a-pillar along side the dash then your wind lace channel holds it in then you screw your retainer into place. again Thank you for all your help gene..
The sedan, wagon, and convertible all use the same windlace retainer. The problem with the upholstery manual WagonMan referenced, or any manual for that matter, is that in practice, each vehicle is slightly different. That's why I advised you earlier that if there was no gap to cover, you wouldn't need the fabric and could cut it out. The Nomad I looked at had no gap at all.
06-15-2009 07:02 AM
DanTwoLakes
Quote:
Originally Posted by WagonMan
The only piece of fabric or vinyl sewed onto the front section of windlace on a 55-57 Chevy is from the top of the kickpanel retainer and goes upward about 6-8 inches and only covers the gap between the end of the dash and the door post. The lower 1/2" of this flap is wrapped around the retainer and trapped in place with the kickpanel.
I am referencing page 451 of the 55 Trim Instruction Manual for Chevrolet. It is available from most Tri-Five dealers and is an invaluable resource when working on the interiors of these cars.

Charles
Thanks for your valuable info.
06-14-2009 08:50 PM
55 Bullit Dan thanks for your help I also forgot to tell you that I have a sedan after looking at about ten cars at differant car shows I only found one that had the fabric That I talked about it goes along the kick panel at the top and in the small channel where the dash meets the a-pillar along side the dash then your wind lace channel holds it in then you screw your retainer into place. again Thank you for all your help gene..
06-14-2009 08:48 PM
WagonMan The only piece of fabric or vinyl sewed onto the front section of windlace on a 55-57 Chevy is from the top of the kickpanel retainer and goes upward about 6-8 inches and only covers the gap between the end of the dash and the door post. The lower 1/2" of this flap is wrapped around the retainer and trapped in place with the kickpanel.
I am referencing page 451 of the 55 Trim Instruction Manual for Chevrolet. It is available from most Tri-Five dealers and is an invaluable resource when working on the interiors of these cars.

Charles
06-13-2009 06:47 AM
DanTwoLakes I ran over to my buddy's house yesterday afternoon and looked at his '56 Nomad. It is the same as your '55 as far as the windlace retainers. There is no reason I can see for the piece of fabric you talked about.
06-12-2009 01:45 PM
DanTwoLakes I just looked at pictures of a '55 Chevy. I have been advising you wrong. Your '55 is not similar to the '53 I posted the picture of. Your car only has a "windlace retainer" that holds the windlace and the front of the kick panel. It would not have the metal pieces I described above the dash next to the windshield. Your windshield curves around toward the door just above the dash. Sorry about that.

Besides the windlace retainer, which are long curved metal strips, there is a piece called a "windlace metal retainer with molded ends". CLICK HERE Would the fabric sewed to the windlace be used to cover the molded ends on those pieces?
06-11-2009 11:24 PM
DanTwoLakes Yes, you are explaining it correctly. The only place I know of that there should be a piece of fabric sewed to the windlace is at a point at least a foot above where you are talking about, and it goes over a metal piece which is screwed in place to cover the area of the pillar right next to the windshield down to the dash area you mention. Do you have the pair of metal pieces I am referring to?

I am doing this from memory. I have a friend who owns a '56, and if need be I will go take a look at it.
06-11-2009 09:38 PM
55 Bullit I understand how the retainer is installed and how the kick panel goes what I don't understand is this piece of material that is sewn to the wind lace I think that it goes around the side of the kick panel retainer and sandwiches in this small channel between the dash and the a pillar right where the dash is welded in at I hope that I am explaining it right
06-11-2009 02:29 PM
DanTwoLakes The metal strip that starts from the bottom of the dash and goes down to the floor is called the "kick panel retainer". It has a groove on the side toward the door that the windlace slides into, and the opposite side holds the kick panel. The space between the dash and the pillar is filled with either windlace by itself or fabric and windlace. If there is no gap where the piece of fabric is attached, it is not needed there. It's possible it is just sewed in the wrong place.

Here's a tip for you.......Put the back of the kick panels into place against the firewall first before attaching the kick panel retainers, or you won't get the kick panels in properly.
This thread has more than 15 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.