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05-25-2010 12:49 AM
rcurnow Thanks for the advice Fellas. I really appreciate your help. To the shop it goes.
05-23-2010 09:58 AM
Coodeville Once I replaced the bobbin case on my 111W153, the problems were all solved
05-23-2010 07:41 AM
DanTwoLakes The timing and tension of your machine are not just specific to that model. Tension and timing are as basic as it gets and are the same for dozens of different model numbers. My hunch is you may have a part or parts in your machine that have worn and are more the cause for your problems. If you bought this machine used, you should take it to a sewing machine mechanic and have it looked at, timed, and repaired if necessary. Make sure you have a new needle installed correctly. Is the thread you're using old? If it came with the machine, throw it away and buy some new thread, especially if there are no labels on the spool to tell you what the thread is.

Another problem could be at the bobbin case, where your bottom tension is located. Replace your bobbin case with a new one and see if that helps to solve the problem. When the bobbin case is out, see if there's anything under it like some old pieces of thread that need to be cleaned out.

In any case, take the machine to a pro and have it looked over, it will be the best money you can spend on the machine.
05-23-2010 05:53 AM
rcurnow Thanks Dan, but I already have this particular manual. The problem is that it pertains to the automatic features of a 211A, different from an older 21A567AB. I have found several manuals that describe other models that are very similar, but don't specifically cover the 211A567AB. The main differences seem to be the way the machines are lubricated. The closest model seems to be the 211G266. This is based on the illustrations in the manual.

I am new to commercial sewing machines, only recently buying a used one. The tensions were screwed up and it caused the bobbin to bind up and change the needle timing. I have adjusted the timing using specs from other models, but it isn't quite right. The bottom stitch still bunches up. I have adjusted the needle tension all over the map, and can't get it right. Manually pulling on both threads seem to be equal.

Do you suppose I should use the setup instructions and procedures for the 211G266 and other similar models to maintain my machine?
05-22-2010 11:12 AM
DanTwoLakes Here you go: CLICK HERE
05-15-2010 07:51 AM
rcurnow
Singer 211A567AB

Does anyone have manuals for a Singer 211A567AB? I have searched high and low and can't seem to find any manuals online.
03-23-2010 01:12 PM
DanTwoLakes Your machine is a 211 U 166, right? The 211 U 157 uses the 135 X 5 needle system, and all the other 211s use 135 X 17. This is the needle system, and not the needle size. The 140/22 and 130/21 needles you have are the needle size. One is a size 21 and the other a size 22, with the first number being the metric designation.

I think you mean Nymo bobbins, not Dymo, right? I don't know what the "D" means. Pre-wound bobbins come in size "G" and "M". G is about 7/8" in diameter, and M is about 1" in diameter. The bobbin should tell you what size bobbin it is and what size thread it has. In other words, it should say G 69, G92, G138, or M69, M92, and M138. Those are the only sizes of pre-wound bobbins I have ever come across.

I buy my thread and bobbins from a local supplier that only sells to upholstery shops.
03-23-2010 12:53 PM
NCbird
needles

Dan, thanks you have confirmed what I was thinking. The singer designations seem to be the ones commonly referred to. I am a little confused because the needles they gave me say 135x5 130/21 and the other is 135/16 140/22. I believe these are a 21 and a 22 needle but were they using the wrong needles since they are not 135/17? Thank you for all the links to different sites in your messages, I have bookmarked several and the discussion on thread is very insightfull. The loaded bobbins I got with the machine are dymo size D. How does a size D thread relate to say 69 or 92? Where do you order your consumables (thread, needles etc) from. Grant
03-23-2010 07:38 AM
DanTwoLakes All you have to remember about needles is that your needle system is 135X17, and there are a number of different size needles available from about size 18 to size 24. The smaller the number the smaller the diameter of the needle shaft.
03-23-2010 06:43 AM
NCbird
practice practice practice

I appreciate all the help now I just have to practice. I have tried a few passes and it is quiet and the speed is fine for me. I have decided the switchs on the control box are one: to set the needle height and depth which should not need to be adj unless there is some problem and second: whether you want a soft start or regular. I am leaving them where they are with a nod to Don on his sage advice. Now I am trying to learn about needle designations and thread...gotta love it. Grant
03-23-2010 05:45 AM
lamx "I believe a walking foot would have a "w" instead of a "u""

The "u" signifies that the Singer machine was made in Japan, a "w" would show that it was made in USA and a "g" would denote a machine manufactured in Germany. The only way to tell if a machine has walking foot (without actually seeing it) is to have the complete model number and check the instruction manual or some other reference for that specific model.

Ed
03-22-2010 12:02 PM
Coodeville Once you've used an industrial machine, you'll never go back.
03-22-2010 11:38 AM
DanTwoLakes There's not a lot of difference between steppers and servos, they both are constant torque variable speed devices, but generally servos are a little smoother. A stepper would need the feedback to make it a closed loop system.

If I were you, because it was used for upholstery work, I wouldn't try to adjust anything and just use it like it is.
03-22-2010 10:35 AM
NCbird
motor

The technician I talked to said it was a stepper motor machine not a clutch motor if it had the sensor on the hand wheel connecting to the motor control. I guess in reality trying to answer your question is it looks like a servo motor and what I am looking at is the control panel for the motor control. There are two switchs along with the speed control and I was trying to figure out their function. This is like trying to play battleship when you dont have a manual. thanks for your patience. Grant
03-22-2010 10:09 AM
DanTwoLakes Is it a stepper motor or a servo motor, there is a difference?

A stepper motor could be used for a home machine that has different type stitching capabilities, but I am not familiar with any stepper motors that are used on industrial sewing machines.
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