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08-15-2010 04:43 PM
sqzbox Almost as funny as using pickel juice in my radiator!
08-15-2010 04:35 PM
MARTINSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by sqzbox
India? wow, Wonder what DOT fluid it uses?

LOLOL, that ain't right, it's funny, but it just ain't right.

Brian
08-15-2010 04:30 PM
sqzbox India? wow, Wonder what DOT fluid it uses?
08-15-2010 04:24 PM
MARTINSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by sqzbox
Maybe the box was made in China?
Wana hear a good one? I got a thermostat (180*) and it's made in Israel.
It actually works great, so now, I tell everyone I have a "kosher" stat in my Chevy!
I have a master cyl that I bought on ebay for my Rambler, it's made in India. I can't stand the thought of it and I believe I will be buying another and put this one back on ebay.

Brian
08-15-2010 04:19 PM
sqzbox Maybe the box was made in China?
Wana hear a good one? I got a thermostat (180*) and it's made in Israel.
It actually works great, so now, I tell everyone I have a "kosher" stat in my Chevy!
08-15-2010 02:31 PM
MARTINSR The other day I bought a brake cyl hone and was sad to see "Made in China" on it. So I opened up the box and found "Made in America" on the tool!

Brian
08-15-2010 01:58 PM
Jon This is as good a time as any to point out that a product can legally identify itself as "Made in the USA", even if it was not manufactured in the USA. We learned this during a threatened lawsuit from Eaton Compressor owner Matt Cain.

In addition, some companies make liberal use of American-themed imagery, without formally declaring their products to be "Made in the USA". Check out this media blaster supplier: BadBoyBlasters.com. It's run by a relative of Matt Cain. Note the background images: bald eagle, Statue of Liberty, American flag. Also, look at the logo: red/white/blue color choice in logo wording, and American flag bandanna. Anyone want to wager a guess as to where those blasters are "made"?

If you want to support products that originate in a certain country or economy, a "Made in..." designation is crucial, whether that country is America, China, Pakistan, or wherever you choose to invest your money. If that designation is subject to spin and "creative interpretation", then we can't even reliably adjust our purchase choices.

There are various arguments over Americans purchasing "Made in the USA" products, and American companies supporting such policies: not everyone agrees on how this should be handled, and how to interpret the economic reality. However, the notion that goods should be honestly labeled is a more universal belief, and one that is being lawyered away.

This same problem is occurring on a local level, in smaller economies within America. People are becoming interested in supporting the economy in their specific town, local region, or state. Corporations are picking up on this trend, and are conveniently re-labeling their products to incorporate questionable use of the word "local". This practice is known as "localwashing" (article in Forbes, article in NYT).
08-15-2010 12:47 PM
MARTINSR I have a friend who's owns the family foundry. He made stove components for a well known industrial stove manufacturer from cast iron. They went to China cutting him out but would often come back when their shipment was stuck out on the ocean or they sent junk, which happen often. The parts would come with unmelted bolts and crap in the cast!

When I sent my nasty email to a company who now makes the stuff in China they sent back saying it was THEIR company in China making the stuff. Like that is a big difference, I could give a crap less, IT IS IN CHINA!

Brian
08-15-2010 12:26 PM
heathj1
Do it once do it right

I worked for a hydraulic cylinder company for 14 years. We would test the china hydraulic cylinders they would not old the pressure they support to with out blowing an end off or braking end off cylinder rod. Other china cylinders we would take apart before we would test and find contaminates in them like welding BBs or steel shavings. The chrome on the rods would peel and rust in the salt chamber
Next time you want to save money on a tool, or a part just remember when you in the middle of something China special tool or part brakes. Don't you think you lots further ahead Quality Made Tool/ Part Made in the states or just keeping buying junk.
How many times have you bought the cheap one and end up getting the better one later. Buy it once and buy it right.
08-01-2010 06:28 AM
redsdad stinger12 - I have looked and can't find US made from US part locking pliers. If you find some, let us know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martinsr
Ask China why they won't import our cars there!
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobalt327
You'd need actual roads to drive our cars on- unless we only sent them 4WD vehicles.

They are COMMUNISTS anyway. The "people" are a tool of the state. As such, there's no place for out American-made consumer goods, for the most part.

China is arming themselves for the future- we are languishing in our PAST accomplishments, w/no eye on the future.
China doesn't import our cars because they build them there. I thought the Buick Lacrosse was a made for China only car. They were all over the place in Shanghai. I had never seen one in the US. (I have since, actually looked at buying a used one.)

I went to Shanghai in Feb. 09. I am going back in Sept. of this year. I had a lot of the misconceptions about China which I see presented on this thread. Trust me, they have roads. They are packed with cars. A lot of the cars are GM and Ford products. There are Chinese people becoming wealthy in China. I am not talking about government workers. To many of them the goal is to move from their Chevy Malibu to a black Lacrosse. Then a black Lexus. Finally, a black Mercedes. When you start looking at China this way, you begin to see how important it is for the US to do something.

I have said this on threads before. Most of you won't listen, but I have to keep saying it. Check FairTax.org. When the supporters of the FairTax showed the plan to 500 foreign businesses, 400 of them said that if the US adopted the FairTax, their next installation (factory, office) would be in the US. The remaining 100 said they would move their entire business to the US. Check out the FairTax and then tell you congressman and senators that we wan the FairTax.
08-01-2010 05:34 AM
topwrench I called Snap On man that lives down the street from my daughter,Ive been buying tools off this guy for 9 years or so,he said Snap On didnt make Vise Grips,He always sold Vise grip brand.I use Vise Grips a lot,I dont really think there is any alternative, any other locking pliers i have tried SUCK.
I hate to buy Chinese stuff too,Its not the Chinese people Im against,its the quality and what the corporations that have moved their mfg. to China have done to the economy here.
I would have never thought we would see a foreign car run in NASCAR but its happening!
All we can do is not support the product.If someone knows where to buy American locking pliers that work.please let me know too.
07-30-2010 07:12 PM
MARTINSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by stinger12
Look. I posted on this site for a reason - I linger around here all the time, and I have respect for a lot of you on here. I could have posted on another site, but I didn't for a reason...there is no comparison to here.

All I have received from this thread is a bunch of bickering regarding the US economy and the Chinese economy. This is exactly the opposite of what I was looking for. I know the economy is in the toilet...we all do, and, quite frankly, its going to continue to go down the toilet if we don't support our proudly made USA tools. Instead of hi-jacking this thread, I would greatly appreciate it if we get back on to the main topic at hand. So, once again...

Are there any alternatives to Irwin Vise Grip, which are still made in the proud USA?


Thank you.

Maybe here? http://www.madeinusaforever.com/

Brian
07-30-2010 05:07 PM
poncho62
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobalt327
You'd need actual roads to drive our cars on- unless we only sent them 4WD vehicles.

They are COMMUNISTS anyway. The "people" are a tool of the state. As such, there's no place for out American-made consumer goods, for the most part.

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With apologies to stinger12......HUH?

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07-30-2010 04:57 PM
cobalt327
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARTINSR
Ask China why they won't import our cars there!

Brian
You'd need actual roads to drive our cars on- unless we only sent them 4WD vehicles.

They are COMMUNISTS anyway. The "people" are a tool of the state. As such, there's no place for out American-made consumer goods, for the most part.

China is arming themselves for the future- we are languishing in our PAST accomplishments, w/no eye on the future.

I wish I could be a fly on the wall 50 years on. Or, do I?
07-30-2010 02:16 PM
stinger12 Look. I posted on this site for a reason - I linger around here all the time, and I have respect for a lot of you on here. I could have posted on another site, but I didn't for a reason...there is no comparison to here.

All I have received from this thread is a bunch of bickering regarding the US economy and the Chinese economy. This is exactly the opposite of what I was looking for. I know the economy is in the toilet...we all do, and, quite frankly, its going to continue to go down the toilet if we don't support our proudly made USA tools. Instead of hi-jacking this thread, I would greatly appreciate it if we get back on to the main topic at hand. So, once again...

Are there any alternatives to Irwin Vise Grip, which are still made in the proud USA?


Thank you.
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