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09-22-2010 06:03 PM
sbchevfreak Yeah, I have read that one start to finish, just thought he meant there was yet another one. My old Snap On stuff is great, but some of the newer stuff is not worth the price, IMHO.
09-22-2010 05:46 PM
35terraplane
cheap tools or high buck

The problem that I have is, I thought the tools I had would last, but now I'm starting to out live them. They were not used for my main job, but they made me money or happy, working at home, I still go to the shop everyday, all day, most of the time. Now I have more than one of every size socket or wrench but if one wears out I sure don't want to replace it, old age , bummer



35terraplane
09-22-2010 05:14 PM
SuthnCustoms Here's the link to the thread...

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/snap...ls-165638.html

6 pages worth so far.....
09-22-2010 04:53 PM
oldred Since I have said so much about Snap-On in this post and others I think I should make it clear that I have no experience with Snap-On tools less than 10 years old and most are much older than that. As much as I like Snap-On and the things I have seen them do and survive I can't help but wonder about the wisdom of sinking that kind of money in them today. As the old saying goes "where there is smoke there must be fire" Snap-On quality seems like maybe it has slipped a bit and the kind of service, or lack of, that we keep hearing about was never a problem years ago. As good as they are/were I would not buy them if there was a question about getting a replacement because like anything else they will break and wear out if used and/or abused enough.
09-22-2010 11:17 AM
35terraplane
cheap tools vs high buck

Quote:
Originally Posted by sbchevfreak
Hey, 35, can you post a link to that discussion? I would be interested to read it. I have used Snap On tools for years, but have many brands in my box. For some items, there is no substitute for the Snap On. However, on others, what Snap On wants for their product is ridiculous. The quality and finish on some of their tools has deteriorated over the years, but the price has not fallen accordingly. When I spend $50 on a 9/16" combination wrench, and it breaks in any fashion, it had better be replaced. NQA.

Also, warrenty replacement has become way mor difficult. I used to be able to exchange a wrench/socket if the finish had peeled off (did this more than once, as those chrome shards will carve the crap out of your hands!). Now, no such luck.
I found one post but I don't think it's the one I read. Go to garage tools on the botttom of the forum list, click on it ,go to Snap-on tools are for fools
09-22-2010 11:01 AM
35terraplane
cheap tools vs high buck

I would have to look for it I think it was posted as I hate snap-on tools Or why I won't buy snap-on tools. It should not be that hard to find I don't think there were a few pages on it. A lot of it I think were guys that had bought snap-on and like you said they try to replace broken or damaged tools they can't get a hold of the dealer and they call the main co. and are told that it's up to the dealer weather they get replaced or not . They also were complaining that when they did get the dealer to replace it , it would take days and when they got it , it would be one that was rebuilt , and not a new one. The way it sounded snap-on was not the only truck salesman that were doing this. If you used a lot of snap-on tools, it sounds like you know what I mean. I have a few but not many, but then again I did not make aliving off those type of tools , as I ran a machine shop. I did, in my opinion have the best mics and measuring tools money could buy, but when you are a grade one shop and working with .0002 on every part you have to have good tools. I have your name I will look for the post.


35terraplane
09-22-2010 10:24 AM
sbchevfreak Hey, 35, can you post a link to that discussion? I would be interested to read it. I have used Snap On tools for years, but have many brands in my box. For some items, there is no substitute for the Snap On. However, on others, what Snap On wants for their product is ridiculous. The quality and finish on some of their tools has deteriorated over the years, but the price has not fallen accordingly. When I spend $50 on a 9/16" combination wrench, and it breaks in any fashion, it had better be replaced. NQA.

Also, warrenty replacement has become way mor difficult. I used to be able to exchange a wrench/socket if the finish had peeled off (did this more than once, as those chrome shards will carve the crap out of your hands!). Now, no such luck.
09-20-2010 08:24 PM
35terraplane
cheap tools vs highbuck

I was trying to give the short version, but I guess it will take the longer one.
!st off we broke a total of 6 sockets, I started by saying I was buying craftsman because I lived it the country and never saw a snap-on guy or any-one else that sold tools so that is what I had Good or bad. I also was 12 years old and I don't know of a lot of kids that tools are at the top of their wish list at 12, I was also working in a junk yard that was back in the woods, my job, cutting up what could have been future street rods, the year was 1956.
I was 15 or16 can't remember and don't care, a friend of mine called me up on a Sunday and told me to bring some tools mainly my socket set, he told me he needed the half inch drive, well I didn't have a lot of those sockets, I didn't have a lot of money and I couldn't afford a whole set at once so I got what I needed. He needed the one for the nut on the wishbone, I get over to his house and ask him where his socket was. Now this kid had more money than the 5 or 6 of us that hung around together had combined. He had all snap-on tools, he would get them at a gas station where the salesman stopped by his house, ( and for you younger guys they used to be service stations.) anyhow he told me he had broke it trying to get that nut loose, well we went on to break mine and two others that we got from sears, they ran out or we might have broke more, plus we broke the snap-on breaker bar.
Monday he got a new socket and breaker bar, broke that one and one other.
Now you have to remember 15 years old, yes it was a great misuse of tools but at 15 that does not come into play, it is the last thing you would think of, it between you and that nut now, you could care less about the breaking of sockets, breaker bars or anything else, we are going to get her off. We would of kept it up until one of the older guys stopped by and said have you tried heating it up, what do you know it came loose (with a snap-on socket only because the sears store hadn't got any in yet).
Out where I am now it's a long way to any tool store and over the last 54 years I have gotten tools from about every maker except the real cheap ones. in those years I have turned two ratchets in for replacement just in the last couple of years both snap-on and they are not the ones I use most of the time, and the one they would only give me a rebuilt one not a new one. No I don't think snap-on are the best except in cost. There is a forum running now on what people think of snap-on but don't go there if you have a weak heart.



Later 35terraplane
09-20-2010 07:05 PM
oldred As I have said before it is not how good a warranty is it is how often you need it that counts. Craftsman may be very good about replacing a tool but that don't mean squat if you are trying to make a living with them, there are not many jobs that will let you just stop what you are doing and trot down to the local Sears for a replacement! THAT'S what matters and if you break a half dozen Sears sockets and they replace all of them with no complaint that's fine but they STILL broke so what do you do until you can get a replacement? I know a Snap-On socket will break if abused enough but you will break a bucket full of Craftsman to every one Snap-On, I have seen it tried. The new guys would seem to always go to Sears to get started but when they found themselves trying to barrow a tool to finish a job it did not take long for them to see the light. Sure Snap-On will fail under the right circumstances but they will take abuse that Craftsman would never survive. Like I said that "good warranty" don't mean squat when you are out in the field and need to get that thing going and trying to explain to the job supervisor just what the hold up is, I know I have been there!
09-19-2010 08:39 PM
35terraplane
cheap tools vs high buck

Well I guess you didn't read my post very well, I was 12 when that happened, and yes we had cars back then at 12, the law said you couldn't drive them on a public road, not that you couldn't own them. I didn't live in town , and I worked in a junk yard. When I was 12 anew car was a 1956 whatever. At 12 if they said I could get a new tool if something went wrong with it, or at 66 years old and I got some thing 30 years ago, with the understanding that if something goes wrong or it breaks and nothing was said about miss use your dam right I will trade it for a new one. That store or company never felt bad when they took my money and gave me the warranty, so why should I feel bad about trading one in for a new one. I'm not the dumb one here I didn't make up the warranty to start with they did, and they must have known that they were going to be misused to start with.
That was suppose to be a joke anyhow, since turning in those sockets and finding out a nut will come loose with a little heat first, in the last 54 years I have turned in two ratchets.
As far as cars and there warranties, they are just a selling tool, you know as well as I do, if you go out and buy a GT mustang or HEMI. challenger 99'9% of the people that buy one are going to put their foot in it sooner or later. I really don't think turning tools in or breaking cars by misuse are causing the Co. to use cheaper material, they would rather send them off shore so they can get them made cheaper, bring them back and sell them for the same, and put more money in their pockets.
They are having a forum right now on this site about tools and how they can't get them replaced when they just go bad ,and I'm talking snap-on and the high buck tools. So I guess if you can say you have never since the age of 12, misused anything you are in the top .1% and more than likely own one of the stores or companies that sell some thing that has a warranty.


Later 35terraplane
09-19-2010 07:59 PM
SuthnCustoms
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Originally Posted by detroitiron
I guess I came from a different line of reasoning. For me, It was abuse them only if you have to, and if you have to abuse them, then do it with respect. There has been times where i would snap a ratchet doing something completly stupid and far beyond the meens they were designed to handle. Instead taking the tool to the store and demand that they replace it from the life time warranty, I would just buy another. (unless its a snapon, then i payed my extra dues to warrant my abuse)

Think of your tools as your car, sure you have a 10 year 100000 thousand mile warranty on the power train. It should be replaced if it fails right? but if your winding out that little neon to 8k rpm and pop a piston through the side of a block, is it chryslers obligation that that they should replace it?

People have to remeber companys still have to make money, and its getting to the point where people are inheriting tool sets from grandparents, or buying them from yard sales more than they are getting them from the company. Then when that person breaks the tool and gets it replaced under the life time warranty, isnt that company losing that much money on a 20 some od year old tool? I believe this is one of the many reasons why most companys are making cheap tools more expensive and more expensive tools out of cheaper materials. They need to make up the slack from somewhere because everyones starting to cash in their second hand freeby tools for a brand new replacement.

I would not be surprised if in the near future tool companys required an original owner reciept to get a tool repaired or replaced if they want to stay in buisness.
I'm like you,,i TRY to take care of my tools and not abuse them,but...in my opinion if someone who actualy wrenches all the time and says they NEVER abuse a tool,then they've had all easy work to do or bull.....

I've had to abuse a few tools,but they for the most part held up,now i wouldn't take a 10# sledge hammer and hit a ratchet to try and break something loose with it,but i HAVE had my foot on a few wrenches and ratchets trying to break something loose though.

As far as companies loosing their arse on people returning them?..bull...you know how much it actualy costs a manufacture to make one wrench or ratchet?...in the pennies,not the dollars...
If someone returned a 20 year old tool that broke,then that tool done great,but thats what he paid that extra money for wasn;t it?..the no questions asked LIFETIME warranty.

The problem is these "over the pond" cheap slave labor are producing pretty decent tools for the little price,not the customers returning on a gaurantee they paid for a high quality tool.

So the problem lies in the company taking shortcuts and using less quality materials and processes to try and keep their cost down to compete with slave labor over seas..NOT because i returned that craftsmen ratchet i bought 30+ years ago when i was a teenager.

That's another subject that gets me hot headed,all these companies are having their products made over seas where even little kids are slaved,beaten if they don't perform,or worse yet are murdered...to me thats like we are supporting communizim.....

I don't care WHAT higher quality tool you buy now a days,the quality of them now are what those same companies 20 years ago would of NEVER let that tool leave the building for sales..it would of been scrap......
09-19-2010 06:29 PM
detroitiron
Quote:
Originally Posted by cboy
Ha. That's my theory. Abuse 'em til you break 'em.
I guess I came from a different line of reasoning. For me, It was abuse them only if you have to, and if you have to abuse them, then do it with respect. There has been times where i would snap a ratchet doing something completly stupid and far beyond the meens they were designed to handle. Instead taking the tool to the store and demand that they replace it from the life time warranty, I would just buy another. (unless its a snapon, then i payed my extra dues to warrant my abuse)

Think of your tools as your car, sure you have a 10 year 100000 thousand mile warranty on the power train. It should be replaced if it fails right? but if your winding out that little neon to 8k rpm and pop a piston through the side of a block, is it chryslers obligation that that they should replace it?

People have to remeber companys still have to make money, and its getting to the point where people are inheriting tool sets from grandparents, or buying them from yard sales more than they are getting them from the company. Then when that person breaks the tool and gets it replaced under the life time warranty, isnt that company losing that much money on a 20 some od year old tool? I believe this is one of the many reasons why most companys are making cheap tools more expensive and more expensive tools out of cheaper materials. They need to make up the slack from somewhere because everyones starting to cash in their second hand freeby tools for a brand new replacement.

I would not be surprised if in the near future tool companys required an original owner reciept to get a tool repaired or replaced if they want to stay in buisness.
09-19-2010 05:02 PM
joe_padavano
Quote:
Originally Posted by cboy
Ha. That's my theory. Abuse 'em til you break 'em.
Again, the beauty of Craftsman tools. You can get a brand new breaker bar for free on a Sunday.
09-19-2010 02:56 PM
cboy
Quote:
Originally Posted by 35terraplane
I often wondered if it was the ten foot pipe we put on the breaker bar?
Ha. That's my theory. Abuse 'em til you break 'em.
09-18-2010 05:31 PM
35terraplane
high buck tools vs cheap tools

I have never had to use tools for a living, that is I never needed large amounts of tools at work. I was in a machine shop and all I needed was a pencil at first, then computers. But I had the best you could buy as far as Mics. went. But I did have a lot at home for my hobby cars, body tools, air tools, mech. tools, and tools for wiring , strippers, crimper's, wire tie guns, some of the wire ing tools would cost a couple hundred or more. A lot of the wrenches I had were craftsman which I first started buying when I was 12. I never had any problem with anyone of them, except one socket, every time we tried to loosen the wishbone nut we would break the socket, we would run over to sears and they would replace it, sometimes we would break 3 or 4 in one day we used breaker bar boy those nuts were tight. I often wondered if it was the ten foot pipe we put on the breaker bar?

Later 35terraplane
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