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10-26-2010 09:15 PM
SSedan64
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Originally Posted by lngliv3
Hey Ssedan64....I love the stance on yours....is it lowered as well? Looks like a very similar tire to what I have now?
I used springs for a Wagon w/AC & cut 1 coil on front, can't remember which springs on rear, I'll see if I can find rear spring Info. Think they were for a 4-door.
Newer Disc spindles & stock Disc brakes.
Actually didn't lower it alot, Engine has Aluminum Heads, Intake, Water Pump & no A/C, so it's much lighter.
10-26-2010 09:56 AM
Tony@AirRideTech Ingliv.... you were probably watching the Optima challenge from last year and yeah we were there for that one We will be running the optima challenge again this year with it to right after SEMA.
10-25-2010 04:23 PM
lngliv3 I agree, that photo looks professional! I actually just watched a show on speed the other day that put several well know builders cars against one another in a autocross, roadcourse, and 0-60-0 show down.....Tony, I could have sworn that your chevelle was one of the entries?
Also, back to the backyard chevelle (reality check) Mud Man...I like your idea. I can put the small block springs up front, and maybe use the sway bar idea 2nd, both reasonable price tags.
10-25-2010 11:19 AM
MARTINSR Yeah it is a very cool car but I don't think this is a big dollar project we are talking about in this thread. Tall spindles, tubular A arms and such aren't in this builds future.

But it would be cool huh lngliv3!

Brian
10-25-2010 08:06 AM
Tony@AirRideTech Thanks for the props guys... that trip was a blast....

Ingliv, MartinSr... yes you are both correct, that car is on Air Ride all the way around. Ride height is about 2.5-2.75" higher than where it is at in those pictures. In order to get that kind of meat under the front, first we had to fix the geometry and camber gain issues that A bodies inhearently suffer from, Then we had to step up to an 18" wheel to help with clearing a tubular lower control arm... then we just measured the car for the correct backspace wheel. That car there has pulled up to 1.12 lateral G's at putnam Park roadcoarse and that was on D.O.T. rated tires... in fact they were BFG KDW/TA's
10-23-2010 09:36 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by lngliv3
Tony, that thing looks sweeeeeet! But I have to imagine (being from ride tech) that the front of your ride is bagged, and actually rides higher than that normally? If not, how in the hell did you get those meats under the front without rub? Also, all you other guys helping me out....did you look at my plan for 17"'s....does it seem doable?

Hey Ssedan64....I love the stance on yours....is it lowered as well? Looks like a very similar tire to what I have now?
There is no way it is driven like that without a LOT of rubbing so yes it must be bagged.

I am a photo nut and still can't get over what a beautiful shot that is. It's not hard to get a nice shot out on the salt, you just can't go wrong with 24 thousand acres of nothing but flat white salt around you! But the angle, the clouds, it is simply a perfect photo showing the best of that car, very nice!

Brian
10-22-2010 06:04 PM
mud.man.rj
tire rub

Springs are cheap, just start with a small block set instead of the 6 cyl set and it won't roll over half as much for sure, a stock big block set will be even better but will raise the car at least an inch in height.
10-22-2010 05:33 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by Tony@AirRideTech
Ingliv.... by the way here is a picture of our shop 66 Chevelle that I drove out to Bonneville and Pleasanton 2 years ago. In the front we are running 275/40/18. That is with stock inner fenderwells and rolled fender lips.
Very nice car and a very nice photo. Yes you can get a lot more tire in there with mods, but even then likely some harmless rubbing. And what's wrong with a little harmless rubbing?

Brian
10-22-2010 04:47 PM
OneMoreTime I definitely would roll the fender lips to avoid any sharp edges that may cut a tire if it hits..that is the first thing..as far as alignment get one of these:

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/ECONOM...AUGE,2699.html

this works fine and once i get the fenders rolled I check castor and camber to see that i am within limits..then i can mount a tire and wheel and support the vehicle fom the A-arms (ride height) and turn the wheels both left and right to see where I have clearance..then once i know all of this I can make a more informed choice on wheels and tires..If you have turn tables it can life a bit easier here..

One more thing if you are running springs and need to raise the car just a wee bit make a large "washer" and place it on top of the spring. An 1/8 or 3/16 spacer on the spring can make just enough difference to make it all work..

Sam
10-22-2010 04:22 PM
lngliv3 Tony, that thing looks sweeeeeet! But I have to imagine (being from ride tech) that the front of your ride is bagged, and actually rides higher than that normally? If not, how in the hell did you get those meats under the front without rub? Also, all you other guys helping me out....did you look at my plan for 17"'s....does it seem doable?

Hey Ssedan64....I love the stance on yours....is it lowered as well? Looks like a very similar tire to what I have now?
10-22-2010 03:24 PM
Tony@AirRideTech Ingliv.... by the way here is a picture of our shop 66 Chevelle that I drove out to Bonneville and Pleasanton 2 years ago. In the front we are running 275/40/18. That is with stock inner fenderwells and rolled fender lips.
10-22-2010 12:37 PM
MARTINSR Isn't that what I did? I expanded on my thoughts and your thoughts. Post away just like I do.

Brian
10-22-2010 11:27 AM
Tony@AirRideTech
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
But my original point is he has no idea what the camber is!! How on earth are we to start changing parts when we don't even know what the front end is at right now? We have changed spindles, aftermarket MODIFIED from original design spindles and we have no idea what the camber is!

You are probably right in that the narrower tire, rim and/or a rim with less offset is probably the best way to go. But we don't even know the rims and tires are on the car!

Brian

Brian
"But my original point is he has no idea what the camber is!! " obviously i dont care about YOUR original point. I was responding to what the original poster had posted and responded accordingly... Nice usage of the exclamation point btw

"How on earth are we to start changing parts when we don't even know what the front end is at right now?" Maybe I was not concise enough in my original response and I apologize... I am simply suggesting he not worry about adding any additional parts until he gets his tires inboard of his fenderlips. ( hence: "but in a nut shell... you still need to change the offset of the wheels......")

"We have changed spindles, aftermarket MODIFIED from original design spindles and we have no idea what the camber is! " Again... nice execution of the exclamation point. I assume that your literary instructors had no tolerance for mundane essays. this is exactly why I left the response I did under proposed solution B. I did not feel the need to possibly drag the original poster through the mud if he did not know what kind of spindle he put on the car... instead I listed the effects of each type of common spindle replacement.

"You are probably right in that the narrower tire, rim and/or a rim with less offset is probably the best way to go. But we don't even know the rims and tires are on the car!" Again, I commend you on punctuation usage

I would be confident that if the forum board was designed to be polarized to your responses then behind each one of your responses it would lock the thread down so that nobody else could post behind you. However, being that it is not, I may... at times... feel the need to post MY opinion
10-22-2010 08:10 AM
MARTINSR My experience has been those are WAY too big of tire and no amount of wheel offset is going to work. There isn't room on the inside if you move them in. My 215/15 65's hit on both the frame behind the wheel on the inside to hitting the fender on the outside. I don't see how you could put a wider tire on the car, there just isn't room. Not without making more room some how of course.

I mistakenly said I had 205s on my my car, they are 215s.

I believe you simply have too big of tires. You need to take a look at that, the wheel offset and the alignment. There is no easy answer to what you have going on other than the tires are too big, that is an easy start.

Brian
10-21-2010 10:09 PM
SSedan64 Most disc Brake spindles add about 1" per to the width also. Arrrrg. Probably where your rub came from.
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