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03-24-2011 08:05 PM
JohnnyK81 I'm not disputing they are good compressors at all. And perhaps they were built differently back then with different pumps. But as it stands today, they are the exact same compressors! Problem is if you get a dud at HF, you're screwed. I was willing to take that chance for $600 vs. $1600.
03-24-2011 07:26 PM
NEW INTERIORS
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Originally Posted by JohnnyK81

however I'd be a little upset if I knew they knew they used the same pumps but denied it to try to justify their $1000+ price difference.
Mine has the T39 pump on it..
Well No matter if he lie are not,, Seeing my close friend's belaire work hard for the last 15 years or so By not only him,me and his whole family was enough to sell it to me.... Even if the belaire was $1000.Dollars more, So what... I never seen anything from HF last 15 years... And even if it didn't come with a warranty, That wouldn't have mattered,,, 15 years of me working it...Man I would have gotten my money out of it the first 3 years.... I do buy SOMETHINGS from HF.. But a 1000.00 dollar piece isn't one of them...And I think mine was Only around $1800.00 Dollars SHIPPED.... It has the low oil shut off,Auto water bleeder every time it kick's on and shut's off,,Elite model..7.5 Hp. again.. It's a beast... And if anyone would like to come by and try to kill it... Just let me know when to pick you up at the airport...
03-24-2011 05:20 PM
JohnnyK81
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Originally Posted by roger1
Could be HF only gets them is their is overstock of parts or commitments to subs they had to make good on.
Also the possibility HF gets parts that don't quite pass the manufacturer QA.

I wouldn't buy a compressor at HF. The only electric stuff I buy from them is because it costs so little, I throw it away when it quits and don't care.

Some things haven't lasted well at all and some have done pretty well.
I only buy stuff there after intense research.. And this was one of them.

I'm sure a billion other places sell these 2 rebranded compressors as well, not just Belaire and HF.. In fact I know there were 2 more, but I can't remember their names now.

But for $620 or whatever it was after a sale and a coupon, for a 16cfm 2 stage 60 gallon, I took a chance with their reputation and lack of warranty. Either that or pay belaire $1400 for the same one. (I also had them order it in for me as I didn't want the storefront one that has probably been moved and smacked and pawed over. So this one was still in cardboard on a pallet.)

However I don't believe you can use the coupons on their compressors anymore.. But I could be wrong.. Or if you can find a coupon that came out a few months ago and is still good you probably can.
03-24-2011 05:17 PM
matt167 I know the smaller single stage/ direct drive compressors they sell are re badged Campbell Hausfeld. I got my compressor ( 90234 IIRC ) on sale for $119. it is a 10 gallon/ rated at 3hp ( in their dreams ). puts out 5.6 SCFM@90 and for a little 110V compressor which is all my shop is wired for. it works hard and just doesn't quit.. I don't see it in there listings anymore tho. But CH may have changed there compressors too.. Havn't checked them at lowes since I bought mine
03-24-2011 05:03 PM
roger1 Could be HF only gets them is their is overstock of parts or commitments to subs they had to make good on.
Also the possibility HF gets parts that don't quite pass the manufacturer QA.

I wouldn't buy a compressor at HF. The only electric stuff I buy from them is because it costs so little, I throw it away when it quits and don't care.

Some things haven't lasted well at all and some have done pretty well.
03-24-2011 04:53 PM
JohnnyK81 Well I know the 60 gallon 2 stage Belaire and HF both use the T29s IMC/ABAC compressor pump.

The 80 gallons ones used the B6000 pump.. HOWEVER it looks like the 80 gallon is no longer available from HF.

HF parts breakdown (For both models) http://manuals.harborfreight.com/man...3999/93274.pdf

http://www.i90enter.com/air-compressors/

Website.. You'll find the pumps on the LH side. With parts breakdowns.

As I said, there is no real warranty from HF unless you pay for it. I'm sure it's not the case with Belaire.

however I'd be a little upset if I knew they knew they used the same pumps but denied it to try to justify their $1000+ price difference.
03-24-2011 04:28 PM
NEW INTERIORS
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Originally Posted by JohnnyK81
The belaire is the exact same as the US General 80 gallon.. The 60 US General is the same as belairs 60 (THe 2 stage one).. They are both made by ABAC compressors I believe.

It might be a step up in name, but the components are all the same (At least the motors and the pumps, which is all that matters). They run fast (RPM wise.. at least the 5hp 2 stages do), but they work.

You'll save about $1000 as well.. But you'll have no warranty.. You have to make that choice yourself.

I guess the guy at belaire lie to me about the pumps.. He said the motors where the same motors,, But ''NOT'' the pumps..


Here's their contact ,, You might want to make sure about that pump... http://www.belairecompressors.com/contact.html
03-24-2011 04:10 PM
JohnnyK81 The belaire is the exact same as the US General 80 gallon.. The 60 US General is the same as belairs 60 (THe 2 stage one).. They are both made by ABAC compressors I believe.

It might be a step up in name, but the components are all the same (At least the motors and the pumps, which is all that matters). They run fast (RPM wise.. at least the 5hp 2 stages do), but they work.

You'll save about $1000 as well.. But you'll have no warranty.. You have to make that choice yourself.
03-24-2011 03:53 PM
NEW INTERIORS
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Originally Posted by roger1
Very nice!

And the Bel Aire name would be cool since I'm presently building a '55 Bel Air Sport Coupe I am planning on keeping for life. Don't know why they spelled it different tho.

But, I like the Quincy name too. Oldred knows why.

Anyway, I wonder if 100% of this one is made in the USA? Is the motor a Baldor?
Not sure if the whole thing is made here,, I think it might be... Oldred might know.... I never had a compressor that would turn off while I was using a DA or something... But this thing will not only cut off... It will sit there and wait for you to catch up with it..... You can out run it for sure.... Speedy deedy had his I think for well over 15 years now... And NEVER had any problem with his....
Yes the motor is a Baldor..

I did talk to someone at belaire and was told by someone there that the US General is also made by belaire and is just a little different in the pumps... He said the US General was a very good compressor, But the belair was a step up from the US General... And would last longer...
03-24-2011 02:50 PM
roger1
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Originally Posted by NEW INTERIORS
This is the one I just bought last year.... This thing is a beast.... Can out work it,,, I tried.. And I lost...
http://www.alltiresupply.com/p-318VLE.html
The only thing wrong with this one, Is I didn't buy it 15 years ago..
Very nice!

And the Bel Aire name would be cool since I'm presently building a '55 Bel Air Sport Coupe I am planning on keeping for life. Don't know why they spelled it different tho.

But, I like the Quincy name too. Oldred knows why.

Anyway, I wonder if 100% of this one is made in the USA? Is the motor a Baldor?
03-24-2011 02:41 PM
NEW INTERIORS This is the one I just bought last year.... This thing is a beast.... Can out work it,,, I tried.. And I lost...
http://www.alltiresupply.com/p-318VLE.html

The only thing wrong with this one, Is I didn't buy it 15 years ago..
03-24-2011 10:28 AM
JohnnyK81 Err, I'm not quite sure what popping off is, but............ it was a joke.. Really take your air compressors seriously, eh?
03-24-2011 07:00 AM
oldred
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Originally Posted by JohnnyK81
(Not Chinese.. Since I think Oldred is going to pop in here and say it is.. )

You need to be a regular visitor before "popping" in here and "popping off"!

If you had been here you should have known that I have said REPEATEDLY in several posts, some very recently, that HF pump is Italian and NOT Chinese. I have also repeatedly recommended that compressor, and the 5 HP single stage version, for some time now for general home use but the OP in this thread is talking about spending money for an industrial duty class compressor which the US General is not, great for a home shop but in an everyday full time shop setting it can in no way compete with the industrial duty compressors, however it is not meant to and is priced accordingly. Get your facts straight before "popping off"!
03-23-2011 11:56 PM
JohnnyK81 Quincy would be the best, ideally (Well, they were.. I wonder if they've gone downhill).. But checkout the 7.5hp one from Harbor Freight if they still have it.. I bought the 5hp one from there and it's pretty good! The 7.5 has a Baldor motor as well, as well as an ABAC Italian pump (Not Chinese.. Since I think Oldred is going to pop in here and say it is.. ) They are the same as Belaire compressors.. For the price, you definitely can't go wrong.. Same compressors.. Different name = Lower price.
03-22-2011 01:09 PM
roger1 Thanks for your advice oldred.
I'll pass it on and keep it all in mind when I'm ready to move.
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