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#1 ·
Not to be a twit BUT they are electric MOTORS not engines, they do not produce their own power.

Just thought I would mention it. :thumbup:
 
#2 ·
The forum is "Modern Engine Electronics", refering to electronic controls on automobile engines.
Motors are electric , engines burn fuel, both convert a source of energy to a kinetic energy or form of work ie: horsepower. Neither one "Makes" its own power, they both consume it.
Not sure if your post was intended for this forum or ??? :confused:
 
#5 ·
oldBodyman said:
Not to be a twit BUT they are electric MOTORS not engines, they do not produce their own power.
By your definition, would gasoline powered engines also not be engines? They do not produce their own power. It is the fuel which carries the energy...not the engine. Same for the electric "motor". Both, it seams to me, are simply tools for conversion of a fuel or an energy.
 
#6 ·
I also read it as electric, not electronic.

this will be some good reading for me.
i'm very interested in LS engines, and I definitely want Fuel Injection (other than F.A.S.T. EZ EFI) on my 496.
but feel like its more than i want to deal with (on the edges of my comfort zone)
 
#7 ·
matts37chev said:
I also read it as electric, not electronic.

this will be some good reading for me.
i'm very interested in LS engines, and I definitely want Fuel Injection (other than F.A.S.T. EZ EFI) on my 496.
but feel like its more than i want to deal with (on the edges of my comfort zone)

I'm working on a 496 injected engine also. I'm using an LS1 ECM to run mine.

I haven't much of a clue myself but I just GOT to learn it to enjoy the new motor.

Uh-oh, is it a motor or engine?

Glad to see this new sub forum.
 
#10 ·
31 Ford here With 88 Gm TPI Engine/Motor, Pretty much just up and quit and will only start with WOT. Maybe the GM engine fighting with the Ford chassis donknow. I'm just now learning all the Abbreviations and what they do out of necessity, Man, MAP, IAC, TPS, ECM, etc etc..what they do, and what values each should be at, Overwhelming for this old dog, but slowly getting it! This I'm sure has been heard before, that old carb. is looking mighty fine about now. First time in 20000 miles the car has let me down and no way to fix it on the road., So i'm glad to find this thread and see what I can learn! Thanx Brian
 
#11 ·
"The forum is "Modern Engine Electronics", refering to electronic controls on automobile engines."

NO it is not, it is still listed as "Modern Electronic Engines". OOPS

"Motors are electric , engines burn fuel, both convert a source of energy to a kinetic energy or form of work ie: horsepower."

Electric motors, gasoline engines
Rocket motors, steam engines. OOPS

"By your definition, would gasoline powered engines also not be engines? They do not produce their own power. It is the fuel which carries the energy...not the engine."

Without an oxidizer and ignition system the fuel just sits in a tank. OOPS

"Thanks. No humour allowed. I'll try to remember that in the future."

Glad someone got it. :thumbup:
(with this many OOPS's I should run for President)
 
#12 ·
Just a thought...

latech said:
The forum is "Modern Engine Electronics", refering to electronic controls on automobile engines.
I'd like to see the forum titled "Modern Engine Electronics", but it's not. Maybe you could fix it?

Or perhaps it could be called something like "Electronic Engine Management" or "Electronic Engine Systems".
 
#14 · (Edited)
oldBodyman said:
Not to be a twit...
Sorry pal, but that's my job :boxing: :evil:




cobalt327 said:
I'd like to see the forum titled "Modern Engine Electronics", but it's not. Maybe you could fix it?

Or perhaps it could be called something like "Electronic Engine Management" or "Electronic Engine Systems".
123pugsy said:
Calling it Electronic Fuel Injected Engines would avoid confusion.
+1 to both. The title just reads odd. My initial thought when I first read it was "electronic motors?"

Personally, Cobalt's suggestion of "Modern Engine Electronics" or 123pugsy's "Electronic Fuel Injected Engines" both sound fairly all-encompassing.


Btw, this sub-forum is an excellent addition. :thumbup:
 
#16 ·
I wouldn't pin it down to EFI either, example is the Edelbrock p/n 7118/2908 for LS engines use an electronic ignition controller w/a carb.

That is unless this forum IS just for late model EFI equipped engines.

I see we have a couple new mods- congrats to TurboS10 and latech.
 
#17 ·
I think the title works fine. Seems like most of the confusion is coming from people reading the title incorrectly?

This forum deals with modern engines controlled by electronics, which I think is evoked well enough in the title.

Engine electronics might lead people to think this forum is only for the electronic portions of an engine. But there are the more traditional components to consider (camshafts, heads, etc) that we'd want to cover in here, knowing it's a modern motor.

I wouldn't want people having to split forums to post about an LS1 camshaft in the main engine section, and then come over here to discuss their MAP sensor. Know what I mean?

But that's just my .02.
 
#18 ·
cobalt327 said:
I wouldn't pin it down to EFI either, example is the Edelbrock p/n 7118/2908 for LS engines use an electronic ignition controller w/a carb.

That is unless this forum IS just for late model EFI equipped engines.

I see we have a couple new mods- congrats to TurboS10 and latech.

I was wondering if electronics could control anything other than injection after I posted.

Live and learn.
 
#19 ·
123pugsy said:
I was wondering if electronics could control anything other than injection after I posted.

Live and learn.
But you could be right. ;) That's why I added "unless this forum IS just for late model EFI equipped engines". At this point I'm not sure what the definition is for " Modern Electronic Engines"- as it pertains to this forum.

I would take it to mean electronic engine controls as opposed to their analog counterparts, like EFI vs. carb. Or distributorless ignition systems vs. a distributor, but would it also include HEI ignition and only exclude points? Or would the HEI not be considered to be part of "Modern Electronic Engines".

Or is it for late model vehicles w/emissions equipment that are often asked about? Or all of the above?

I'm not starting anything here. I'm just wondering what is included and excluded, or will "we" know simply by whether it appears here or not?
 
#20 ·
I have been pondering issues such as these for the forum. I have been busier than a one legged rooster in a hen house this week, but I will get to it.The electronic dizzy/ points dizzy thing was actually where I was going to start.

LATech
 
#21 ·
I think we're over complicating it a bit. I think we should let things fall where the may for the most part and see how it ends up. I'd expect to see more questions in this subforum related to modern engines, that come fuel injected, that not. I believe that 95% of what we'll see will be injected. But rather than being exclusive those running some other system that includes a lot of electronics, it's probably better to be inclusive, but acknowledge where the bulk of future posts will come from.
 
#22 ·
latech said:
I have been pondering issues such as these for the forum. I have been busier than a one legged rooster in a hen house this week, but I will get to it.The electronic dizzy/ points dizzy thing was actually where I was going to start.

LATech
As for the title of the forum, a rose by any other name... and even if someone misses this forum as being where their question belongs, it will end up here if it belongs here because at the end of the day, y'all will be the ones who decide what goes where.

It's all good.
 
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