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Today 09:16 AM
adantessr [QUOTE=Too Many Projects;3995033]I worked on Christmas shopping for my '54 210..
I called an add in the MSRA Linechaser about a 1957 Chev posi axle. It has been heavily modified for use in a 1933 Ford. The owner said he "thought " it had 4.10 gears. I also bought a 1956 axle housing with non-posi center section, hoping for a better gear ratio. He had a 3rd center section only with 3.36 gears that I was thinking of buying but wanted to see what I had in the other 2 first.
I pulled the non-posi first and it is 3.08 ratio. Not really what I was hoping for, and I was going to call the guy and tell him I would buy the 3.36 section. I then decided to see what was actually in the posi, so I pulled that and it has 3.36 gears !!! I have no idea how he thought they were 4.10, but I'm happy with 3.36. I now have an open drive axle for the '54. I'll look for an S10 5 speed over the winter, cheap, and have this on the road next summer..

I have a 1957 rear gear with 3.36 ratio in my T bucket. With the 700R4 in front of it , it is the perfect combination. IMHO
Today 09:07 AM
John long
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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
IF I were to buy a new Tremec, it would go in the SS.

Lots of good info on 5speed.com about these transmissions. The WC is the only one I would consider for the '54. The 292 is the common bellhousing bolt pattern. The engine had plenty of torque in stock, low compression, form. Mine is estimated at 320-350 lbs ft...

Your 454 will have plenty of torque to move the car once it's rolling. It's that period of time from the dead stop that can be hard on the disc. If it is the M20, you'll be good. My SS has the M20 with 3.31 gears and 28" tall tires. Very little slippage needed to get to full engagement. The new engine may be a different story as it isn't a truck torque motor. The new cam may not provide enough torque below 1800 to achieve a smooth engagement. The TKO600 may be a "necessary" addition in the near future...
I agree Mitch.

My roadster runs a '88 S-10 NWC from I think a 2.8. The engine is pretty well built with about 265 CI and with a 4 inch stroke it has gobs of torque. I don't baby it but I don't dump the clutch either. I think you would be fine with the early T-5 for normal driving. I have a friend who runs one in a '52 with a 350 and has been driving it for a couple of years. Key word here is he drives it, He does not hot rod it. I will admit, I have a spare trans tucked back.....Just in case.
Today 08:49 AM
Too Many Projects IF I were to buy a new Tremec, it would go in the SS.

Lots of good info on 5speed.com about these transmissions. The WC is the only one I would consider for the '54. The 292 is the common bellhousing bolt pattern. The engine had plenty of torque in stock, low compression, form. Mine is estimated at 320-350 lbs ft...

Your 454 will have plenty of torque to move the car once it's rolling. It's that period of time from the dead stop that can be hard on the disc. If it is the M20, you'll be good. My SS has the M20 with 3.31 gears and 28" tall tires. Very little slippage needed to get to full engagement. The new engine may be a different story as it isn't a truck torque motor. The new cam may not provide enough torque below 1800 to achieve a smooth engagement. The TKO600 may be a "necessary" addition in the near future...
Today 08:27 AM
John long
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John, what year S10 5 speed do I need to bolt up to a traditional bellhousing ?? All I keep coming up with are integral bells using hydraulic release bearings. Not sure I want to go that route, but it may be easier to convert from the auto ?
Late to mid 80's had seperate bell housings but they are not terribly strong and I don't think the bell will bolt to a pre '55 engine. I am not sure I am right on this but be sure to research it.


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this might help someone somedayMuncie 4 Speed Transmissions


with a 350 or higher ,lower numericaly ,I prefer the wide ratio Muncie it was designed for heavier cars so starting movement without riding or slipping clutch

But there id nothing like the sound of a close ratio m22 behind a high reving small block
Mine should be an M20 from what I remember. In either case though, I believe the 454 would have the torque to handle it.

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Doing more research on this, I don't think I want an s10 trans behind the 292. Too much torque. Looks like a WC T5 is the way to go.
None of the T-5's are very tough. The tow rating on my full sized silverado with V-8 and 5 speed is less than with an automatic. If you're going to abuse it you probably ought to spring for a Tremac.

John
Today 08:24 AM
496CHEVY3100
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Doing more research on this, I don't think I want an s10 trans behind the 292. Too much torque. Looks like a WC T5 is the way to go.
I didn't know this,
1984 was the first year for the use of the Borg Warner (now Tremec) T-5, five speed, overdrive manual transmission. Outer dimensions are very similar on the two transmissions, but they differ in a few key respects. First they have difference input shafts. The v8 tranny uses 27 splines, the v6 14. This can be overcome by using the correct clutch kit for the trans, regardless of engine. More importantly, all of these boxes were notoriously weak and the v6 versions even more so. I cannot recommend putting any t5 behind even a mild 350, yet alone a v6 version.
Today 08:14 AM
496CHEVY3100 I have a 5 speed from a Camaro V8 that sits straight up like a regular transmission instead of laying over to clear the shifter ,it will bolt to a regular bellhousing ,

I think it was a 83 or 84 I bought it from my neighbor he made a drag car and went with an automatic
Today 08:07 AM
Too Many Projects
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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
John, what year S10 5 speed do I need to bolt up to a traditional bellhousing ?? All I keep coming up with are integral bells using hydraulic release bearings. Not sure I want to go that route, but it may be easier to convert from the auto ?
Doing more research on this, I don't think I want an s10 trans behind the 292. Too much torque. Looks like a WC T5 is the way to go.
Today 07:23 AM
496CHEVY3100
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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
Is your Muncie an M20 with 2.52 first gear ? An M21 with 2.20 first will need slippage to get started with a 3.0

this might help someone somedayMuncie 4 Speed Transmissions


with a 350 or higher ,lower numericaly ,I prefer the wide ratio Muncie it was designed for heavier cars so starting movement without riding or slipping clutch

But there id nothing like the sound of a close ratio m22 behind a high reving small block
Today 06:52 AM
Too Many Projects
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Originally Posted by John long View Post
I think that will be a good choice. I have a 3:25 behind my S-10 5 speed in the roadster and like it real well.
John
John, what year S10 5 speed do I need to bolt up to a traditional bellhousing ?? All I keep coming up with are integral bells using hydraulic release bearings. Not sure I want to go that route, but it may be easier to convert from the auto ?
Yesterday 10:59 PM
Too Many Projects
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Originally Posted by John long View Post
I think that will be a good choice. I have a 3:25 behind my S-10 5 speed in the roadster and like it real well. Last weekend I bought a 3:00 9 inch chunk to go in the lincoln rear for my '53. since I have a Muncie 4 speed for it.

I had a 2:76 in the '47 and liked it real well but we did a lot of interstate driving with it.

John
Is your Muncie an M20 with 2.52 first gear ? An M21 with 2.20 first will need slippage to get started with a 3.0
Yesterday 10:42 PM
Dave57210
Yesterday 10:16 PM
John long
Quote:
Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
I worked on Christmas shopping for my '54 210..
I called an add in the MSRA Linechaser about a 1957 Chev posi axle. It has been heavily modified for use in a 1933 Ford. The owner said he "thought " it had 4.10 gears. I also bought a 1956 axle housing with non-posi center section, hoping for a better gear ratio. He had a 3rd center section only with 3.36 gears that I was thinking of buying but wanted to see what I had in the other 2 first.
I pulled the non-posi first and it is 3.08 ratio. Not really what I was hoping for, and I was going to call the guy and tell him I would buy the 3.36 section. I then decided to see what was actually in the posi, so I pulled that and it has 3.36 gears !!! I have no idea how he thought they were 4.10, but I'm happy with 3.36. I now have an open drive axle for the '54. I'll look for an S10 5 speed over the winter, cheap, and have this on the road next summer..



I think that will be a good choice. I have a 3:25 behind my S-10 5 speed in the roadster and like it real well. Last weekend I bought a 3:00 9 inch chunk to go in the lincoln rear for my '53. since I have a Muncie 4 speed for it.

I had a 2:76 in the '47 and liked it real well but we did a lot of interstate driving with it.

John
Yesterday 10:00 PM
Too Many Projects I worked on Christmas shopping for my '54 210..
I called an add in the MSRA Linechaser about a 1957 Chev posi axle. It has been heavily modified for use in a 1933 Ford. The owner said he "thought " it had 4.10 gears. I also bought a 1956 axle housing with non-posi center section, hoping for a better gear ratio. He had a 3rd center section only with 3.36 gears that I was thinking of buying but wanted to see what I had in the other 2 first.
I pulled the non-posi first and it is 3.08 ratio. Not really what I was hoping for, and I was going to call the guy and tell him I would buy the 3.36 section. I then decided to see what was actually in the posi, so I pulled that and it has 3.36 gears !!! I have no idea how he thought they were 4.10, but I'm happy with 3.36. I now have an open drive axle for the '54. I'll look for an S10 5 speed over the winter, cheap, and have this on the road next summer..



Yesterday 09:21 PM
tech69
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Got that door handle taken care of,,start rebuilding that fuel injection system next.
insurance rate might go down if it's deadbolt.
Yesterday 05:38 PM
boothboy
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Originally Posted by 496CHEVY3100 View Post
Got that door handle taken care of,,start rebuilding that fuel injection system next.
Bucket and bicycle pump?

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