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Today 06:27 PM
idrivejunk Almost forgetted... that stuff on the 33 fenders I was so curious about....

Fellow bodyman walks up and says "Z-Chrome". I did a search, scratched my chin and went hmmm. You can wipe or spray it. Very interesting.
Today 05:39 PM
idrivejunk I'll just drop a couple pics here then put some more on the body forum thread about this shortly. Pretty much ignored all the advice I had been given.

Flipped that patch over and the backside looked like this:



So I scraped, sanded, and wiped converter on-



...and sanded again. Look closely-



Wanna see it from the top? Pics over yonder, shortly:

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/cama...pe-447609.html
Today 11:36 AM
MARTINSR Good story there BB, funny stuff.

When I chopped the top on my truck as a kid I cut plexiglass for the quarter windows. To shape them I put them in the oven then, laying in the original glass.

But I was brilliant remember, so I knew that it would be too tight a bend if it was bent to fit the inside, so I put a pack of matches (no matches in it) laying in the bottom of the glass so the plexiglass would stop bending before going to the bottom.

The pack of matches height was perfect after much calculations with the radius of the curve, thickness of the glass, thickness of the plexiglass, amount shortened, the spelling of supercalafragalisticexpialadoshus and other mathematical equations.

It worked perfectly except that the glass was a little too soft and the pack of matches put dents in the plexiglass! They stayed as I had been given the plexiglass and had no idea where you could even buy any.

Wish I had photos of that.

Brian
Today 10:28 AM
boothboy Quick side story concerning sand and hidden "cat nuggets"

Years ago while I was keeping us all safe from communism for Uncle Sam, my college going, married buddy was rebuilding a WWll Airplane (should have been studying and doing marriage stuff if you ask me!).
One day he and his buddy, a guy named Jim Lasley, (some of you old guys have seen Lasley before. Remember the guy who flew the plane through the barn for the old TV show "You Asked For It"? That was Lasley.)
Anyhow back to our story. Jim and my friend Barry were heating a bucket of sand in the stove to use to bend some plexiglass for the plane. After a while they came back into Jim's house to retrieve the sand only to discover a horribly foul smell and a large bilious Green Cloud. Apparently one should not overcook cat turds.

Now to the funny part.

A while later after Jim had opened every window and door to rid the house of the stomach turning stench, Jim's wife returns home.
Upon entering the house she sniffs the air and exclaims with glee in her voice, "Something smells good! What are we having for dinner?"

It would seem that cooking was not one of Jim's wife's specialities.

BB
Today 06:57 AM
deadbodyman A contour template goes from right to left the full width of the roof and fits tight to the contour. As you slide it back and forth it'll tell you if the patch is flattening or too proud by either showing a gap or rocking as it goes over the patch. Making one is fairly ez and well worth the time ,all you need is a compass (for drawing circles) and a band saw or a jig saw. You basicly set a piece of wood on the roof and slide the compass over the roof drawing the roofs profile onto the wood (scribing), then cut out the line and test fit,it should be very close, then you sand the wood until the wood fits tight to the roof. Now you have an exact profile of the roof. set your patch in the hole and shim it up until its flush with the roof in a few spots,put your shims between the patch and the flange. Put one tack in the middle ,one in front and one in back to hold the patch in place. grind the tack flush so the template will slide back and forth. check the contour as you tack and grind.
If you take the flange out you'll need to make a brace or two for support but I think I'd leave the flange in to save some money on labor.
This is a sure way to not have a flat spot or a big lump when your done and it'll need hardly any filler.
Today 06:22 AM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by deadbodyman View Post
I can offer a trick to make the job less frustrating right from the get go. Have you ever made or used a contour template?
We have one but it's only about a foot long and is busted. I have often used cardboard and bent rods to check as I go.
Today 06:18 AM
idrivejunk
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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
From One More Time in the other thread... "Anyway just scribe that piece you have to fit the hole and then tack it in."

I think we all "assumed" you were going to leave the existing frame and work with that ?? I have no experience with this, so I'll sit by my dish and watch...
Yes, I had hoped for more specific guidance. I believe leaving the gutter in place would create enough contrast in flexibility as to cause cracking later. The guy who started the job "has done several" and thought leaving anything up there was weird to even ask about. "Fill roof" were our only instructions.

Where the leaded seam intersects it going to be a main concern for me since an extra layer comes into play for about an inch in each side. Wish me luck!
Today 06:13 AM
deadbodyman I can offer a trick to make the job less frustrating right from the get go. Have you ever made or used a contour template?
Today 06:07 AM
idrivejunk
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How crazy would it be to weld that roof skin in THEN cut out that flange? I'd be afraid of warping it all by cutting the flange first.
That thought crossed my mind too.
Today 06:04 AM
deadbodyman How crazy would it be to weld that roof skin in THEN cut out that flange? I'd be afraid of warping it all by cutting the flange first.
Today 06:02 AM
Too Many Projects
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I asked around, gave everyone plenty of opportunity to voice opinions but there were none so I went ahead. The closest thing to advice I could find indicated nothing to the contrary. It seems like it has enough crown to hold itself up. The idea now is to do it then see if it needs support and go from there. Headliner was of course one of my first questions but again, no answers. I do have ideas though. I would only leave the flange to install a removable panel. Otherwise it could weigh down the skin. It would also prevent planishing the welded seam.
From One More Time in the other thread... "Anyway just scribe that piece you have to fit the hole and then tack it in."

I think we all "assumed" you were going to leave the existing frame and work with that ?? I have no experience with this, so I'll sit by my dish and watch...
Today 05:49 AM
idrivejunk I asked around, gave everyone plenty of opportunity to voice opinions but there were none so I went ahead. The closest thing to advice I could find indicated nothing to the contrary. It seems like it has enough crown to hold itself up. The idea now is to do it then see if it needs support and go from there. Headliner was of course one of my first questions but again, no answers. I do have ideas though. I would only leave the flange to install a removable panel. Otherwise it could weigh down the skin. It would also prevent planishing the welded seam.
Today 04:21 AM
Too Many Projects I'm wondering why you are removing the recess on the roof ? I figured the patch would lay right in there. Seems like all the strength will be gone and you will need to fab supports now.

I guess with that gone, it will be lighter up there and easier to work with for a head liner ?

Just wondering out loud. It surprised me to see that..
Yesterday 09:37 PM
idrivejunk Spent today mostly preparing a roof patch, it had two layers of black, two red oxides, one light grey then something else over the bare metal. Mostly lacquer. This was midway-



Yeah its not particularly straight either but thats one reason I'm knocking everything off it. There were even a few filler spots but the general shape of the piece is a nice match to the car. I made it lay flat at the edges as closely as possible then located and trimmed it while scoring and / or cutting the car roof. I want to finish straightening patch before I cut the roof fully.



Long about middle of the afternoon, this mother lode of parts dropped off. Boss says can you fit all that. Sure I says. Those are supposedly the original fenders, fixed at the last shop the job got pulled from. Is that Fibral over epoxy? Resin-coated filler? Or fiberglass mat? Seriously? Who knows,, but thats what it looks like from here, another boat builder special. Crap. Nevertheless, I embrace this task as a glorious life event because I get to touch another 30s car. I've already learned they sure can be a mess. Those seem to be my specialty, messes.



The 67 Ford made it back from the upholstery shop today so pic of that. The Riviera is in the midst of buff job but theres a glimpse of the color. I welded emblem holes in the trunk lid on that today. Guess they decided to ditch the dealer emblem at the last minute before the hood and lid shoot.

It was a beautiful evening but I pretty much crashed as soon as I made it home. One of them Mondays. It was good but whew, tired.
Yesterday 08:22 PM
MARTINSR
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Very sad Brian. Makes me hesitate to talk about the things I am excited about. Steve is blessed to have you as his friend.

A friend gave me some boxes of sanding belts that were removed from a warehouse that was being emptied. They are 48" X 6'. They were intended to ship to a hardwood floor manufacturing company. The 15 belts will make about 150 sheets of sanding paper each, 120, 150, and 240 grit. I now have more dry paper to do my ruff work with than I will ever need. Now that is FRUGAL!!

Also, I took my frame to the sandblaster Thursday and he told me today he was going to try and get it done tomorrow. That is really exciting. I can't wait to get it back. I have a gallon of SPI black epoxy and a gallon of Rage Ultra sitting on the workbench ready to go!


John
That's the thing John, he is thankful for every thing he has just as we are. He has never known anything different and he is thankful believe me.

Brian
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