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07-09-2013 10:41 PM
kc8oye not to be a smart ***** or anything... but did he have the light on the right ignition wire??

I ask this because I went down this road once... when my ignition wires were a rats nest, I missed the #1 wire and got the #2 wire instead.. couldn't figure out why my timing was WAYYY off, and when it got it where i thought it should be, the engine wouldn't run....

spent better part of an hour banging my head against the wall on that one..
10-28-2012 10:32 PM
Greg T Today, I use the MSD E-Curve. Worth every penny.







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10-28-2012 05:30 PM
Old Fool back in the day a distributor was put on a distributor machine and had its advance curve set. no guessing, no oh ****s, you knew what you had. That was before they became dizzy's.
04-09-2012 04:14 PM
2x4 Barrels
to 10

Hey 10

Check out these bowls out.of course you have look at them upside down



2x4`s
04-08-2012 10:25 AM
Custom10
Quote:
Originally Posted by cool rockin daddy
Can somebody please translate the above gibberish?
I see the word bowls used allot, I am thinking the bowls are ablaze
04-07-2012 12:02 PM
T-bucket23 If you want to prove if it is mechanical or electronic it is simple and has been stated in this thread several time.
Disconnect the vacuum advance
Lock the timing at something reasonable and see if it still jumps.
If you lock it and it still moves then it is not the advance weights or related parts. I would then look at the module or pickup. Either could cause the issue. A bad pickup may not be up to the rpm task and could be collapsing the field a little to soon at higher rpm or not building the field long enough. I would also check the air gap on the pickup it becomes more critical at higher rpm. The module could also be an issue but the pickup would be my first guess if it is electronic.
I think if the timing chain was stretching you would be loosing timing not adding and it would be inconsistant.
04-07-2012 11:43 AM
2x4 Barrels
spark

Hi guy`s

Is it possible that voltage rise time is the real issue.What I mean is hei pick up voltage will rise with r.p.m. and alter timing.


2x4`s
04-07-2012 07:43 AM
cool rockin daddy Can somebody please translate the above gibberish?
04-07-2012 01:18 AM
robertalive
ignition

no its just if the cam was dialed you have advanced the engine.so the ignition is just tuning the spark timing.i was allways taught the distributor is the moved bout an inch to a inch and a half prior to the spark of the .so if the #1 spark connection on the distributor is moved to spark bout an inch or so of travel before it lines with its own cable headed out to the #1 spark plug.so the spark is fired then by the time it shoots out to the spark plug ,it has occured ,if it went off at the same time of the distributor #1 being lined up to spark plug #1 it would be to late and the engine wouldnt run.i didnt understand the timing in that engine changing as the rpm raised.i allways buy the best i can afford in equipment and follow the instructions and research on you tube and internet and never once ran into that problem.i helped build a 65 mustang we built and now did a chevy 350 vortec 4 bolt main ,1 piece rear seal.just a 350 sbc but never bore to 60 for heat problems,i try to stay at .030 maybe .040 but even that i dont know cause you alter one part to much and then it starts throwing you Off in other areas.so i just port and polish the heads maybe 1mm off the exhaust chambers to wake it up,dont want my headers overlapping a 1.5 or 1 5/8 primariey.i really get technical bout the bowls ill just buy a pair of junk valves and port like any of us would go ahead and do.want he bowls like mirrors,mirrors i tell ya.lol .hope that cleared it up a little.sorry for confusing the masses.lol.if it makes sense and you wanns motor chat with ,hit me back anytime.bye dude
04-05-2012 11:14 PM
4 Jaw Chuck Another explanation is called spark scatter, high cylinder pressure causes a higher load on the ignition system which can cause the coil to delay or jump across the plug gap only after the mixture self detonates.

High compression ratios combined with weak stock style ignition systems are a deadly combination, my bet is this phenomena you are seeing only occurs under load above a certain rpm...if so you are getting a clue of your ignition system weakness.

A good test is to physically lock the timing at a high initial like 18 degrees and repeat the test on the dyno, if your still seeing it assume your ignition system isn't up to the task and needs upgrading.
04-05-2012 08:49 PM
cobalt327 Huh????? I read that twice and still have no idea on 90% of it.
04-05-2012 08:09 PM
robertalive
not the answer but feedback

i usually advance the cam then fine it with the distributor ,minor.it would make you lower the timing to hit 34 at 6000 rpm.that would hurt you low.but maybe youll have to retrace youre steps to the point of failure and adjust from there.i run a HEI with sbc vortec 350.dot to dot on the cam on comp cam mother thumper is fine 2-4 degree advance there or go alittle more.so i dont really want to have to do much more than an 1" to 1.5"advance manually on the dis.like the part bout mech advance only affecting low drive to an idle imma keep that in mind for when i next tune.love carbed out monsters and its true fine tuning and constant adjust comes with the territory.good luck with it brother.out
04-05-2012 07:19 PM
dbrow6272
tIMING

So no load means they set the timing running around the trackk? No seriously, this can be done on a dyno and I'm thinking it probably is although I haven't been near a dyno in just about as many years. I stick by the vacuum method and have used it on many hot rodded engines. Then I have used a light with an advance dial on it to "fine tune" timing. I do not trust all balancers, some yes, but not all. Many times I have found the timing ring on a balancer slipped or plain just improperly installed. Use the vacuum gauge first, check the timing mark to see where the balancer is and go from there.
04-05-2012 05:35 PM
lmsport NASCAR engines of the 1980's and 1990's ran fixed, locked timing.

I dont understand setting timing for a racing engine at no load.
04-05-2012 05:00 PM
cobalt327
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbrow6272
Many years ago I had the opportunity to get hooked up with an old NASCAR mechanic. He never used a timing light! He used a vacuum gauge to set timing. I know it sounds odd, but with his help I learned how to do this. Hook up a good vacuum gauge to the engine, a port near the carburator works best. Start the engine, bring the RPM's up to between 1700 and 2000. The vacuum gauge should be rock steady. If it wavers you need to adjust timing until it becomes steady. Of course if you want to run advanced or retarded timing use a very good timing light and set it to the degree's you want. But the vacuum gauge works and I have been using one ever since.
The problem w/this as I see it is there's no way to know what the total timing is, or at what rpm the mechanical or vacuum advance starts and is all in by, nor the amount of mechanical and vacuum advance.

But other than that...
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