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04-15-2012 06:15 PM
KVP
hail damage PDR repair

Had 2 vehicles with very noticeable hail on the roof and hood a few years ago. The body shop called in the PDR people and the dents were removed with no remaining traces of the damage. Had they been golfball sized we were told it would have been filler and a repaint.
04-15-2012 06:02 PM
techron
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
Oh yeah I did, was woken a few times that night with lightening lighting up the room and then the RUMMMMMMBLE. It was pretty cool.

Brian
Cool. up here in Santa Rosa we missed it. living in Kansas just 7 miles west of Topeka at Forbes AFB, a SAC base as a kid thunder storms would rock the house, we learned to tell how far away it was by counting from the flash of the light to the BOOM, it was that common. it was way cool. 1000+ strikes during a storm was the norm. Tornadoes would hit too, as a kid in the summer we would lay in the front yard and watch the funnels come down, most never hit the ground and most were many miles away. in Kansas it was so flat if you could find a hill 10 feet hi you could see for miles. it was fun growing up there, but a ******* hole i never want to go back to.

now out here earthquakes are cool, i was living in SF when the 89 quake hit, that was way cool. the day after i took my jetboat out from SSF, the bay, normally clean was like a junkyard. old pilings and stuff was everywhere in the water. i went under the bay bridge where the uppur deck fell. Alemeda was a mess. i dokked at oakland and looked at the collapsed freeway (May God bless the people who died there) if not for fate i could have been there.
04-15-2012 05:05 PM
swvalcon We had a large hail strom here in mn in 1998 when I worked at a local shop. We had a guy from ok city,ok come in and do pdr work. The guy was really good and fast and worked almost around the clock and 7 days a week. I dont know how much he made here that summer but it had to be a bunch.
04-15-2012 04:30 PM
Valkyrie5.7 We had a huge hailstorm here in the winter of 2010. Good business for my dad, as he's a subcontractor in the roofing industry... Anywho, It caused so much damage and the hail repair guys moved in like a cloud of locusts. For months you would see them on every corner with their tents and bright signs. Then when the work dried up (like everything else does under our unrelenting sun ) They were all of a sudden all gone. Like a biblical plague or something.

So let it be written. So let it be done.
04-15-2012 04:20 PM
johnnyg
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
Do you mean "paint-less" repair?

They are like storm chasers.

Brian
A friend of mine is a painter at a dealership, and he told me the paint-less repair guys DO chase hail storms!!
04-15-2012 12:35 PM
TucsonJay I am also cautious, but I haven't done any hail repair at all.... unless you count the time I threw a wrench at my '57 Bel Air in the sixties! (I don't do that any more.)

My belief is that you should talk to the guy who has done it! The one I mentioned was a graduate of GM body school, who eventually became my shop forman. Before I hired him, he had grown up, and learned the biz in Kansas.
04-15-2012 12:29 PM
MARTINSR I will keep an open mind as I am dying to learn new things. But everything in my being tells me enough heat localized with a torch is doing to burn paint. Second, the heat from curing filler on a late model hood will warp it for goodness sakes.

Like I said, I will keep an open mind but I am VERY cautious on this one. I have tried to do PDR, it is a whole different animal than "regular" body work. I can metal finish out damage using no filler but some of the stuff the PDR guy does blows me away and I have tried it, it takes TONS of practice to be able to pull off.

But everything in this heat and cool to remove hail damage goes against everything I have learned so I am very cautious.

Brian
04-15-2012 11:12 AM
TucsonJay
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Originally Posted by swvalcon
NO MartinSR no joke. I had never tried it until and assistant manager told me how to do it so I thought what the heck I'll try anything once.We had a hail job in the shop and he wanted me to do it. Said it didn't have to be perfect but to get it as good as possible. Was and older ford taurus late 80s style sliver in color.I got the hood set up so I could site across it like I was about to do pdr work. Then took my small butane torch and as I said started around the outer edge of the hail dent with the heat and slowly warmed the metal working into the center making sure not to get it to hot. Sure enough it expanded the metal just like he said it would. As the dent raised up with the heat I could watch it until it was up perfect with the rest of the hood then hit it real fast with the cold rag and it just seemed to lock it right there. Dam est thing I ever saw. I would never have thought it would work but it did. The hood had maybe a dozen or better hail dents in it and I got them all out but two. Took maybe a hour after I got the hang of it. Only burnt the paint in a couple of spot and the just enough to discolor it. Filled the two remaining dents, da-ed it down and painted and looked good. Take and old junk hood with hail dents in it and try it. If you can learn the trick it's a real time saver.
The guy I was quoting before also said, once you had practice, you could often repair them so no filler was needed.

I don't know if that includes the "baseball-sized hail" that the news mentioned. :-)
04-15-2012 11:07 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by techron
Brian, we had hail here in the north bay on thursday. it was puny hail that hit the ground and was just gone. when i lived in kansas in the 60s i saw golf ball sized hail that totaled cars left outside. How about the lightening/thunder storms that rolled through the bay area??? SF, the east and south bay got pounded. PG&E reported over 1000 strikes to the grid. being in the east bay did you see any of that???
Oh yeah I did, was woken a few times that night with lightening lighting up the room and then the RUMMMMMMBLE. It was pretty cool.

Brian
04-15-2012 10:13 AM
techron Brian, we had hail here in the north bay on thursday. it was puny hail that hit the ground and was just gone. when i lived in kansas in the 60s i saw golf ball sized hail that totaled cars left outside. How about the lightening/thunder storms that rolled through the bay area??? SF, the east and south bay got pounded. PG&E reported over 1000 strikes to the grid. being in the east bay did you see any of that???
04-15-2012 09:36 AM
HrdNox That would be something to see.
04-15-2012 09:29 AM
MARTINSR I don't have hail damage very often (I have only seen it a few times in my life) but I do have one coming in next week, a Kia Soul, I'll give it a try.

But I have tried this method on other small soft dings and it was a failure. Maybe the hail dent being about as "soft" a dent as you can get, maybe that makes the difference.

Brian
04-15-2012 09:23 AM
swvalcon NO MartinSR no joke. I had never tried it until and assistant manager told me how to do it so I thought what the heck I'll try anything once.We had a hail job in the shop and he wanted me to do it. Said it didn't have to be perfect but to get it as good as possible. Was and older ford taurus late 80s style sliver in color.I got the hood set up so I could site across it like I was about to do pdr work. Then took my small butane torch and as I said started around the outer edge of the hail dent with the heat and slowly warmed the metal working into the center making sure not to get it to hot. Sure enough it expanded the metal just like he said it would. As the dent raised up with the heat I could watch it until it was up perfect with the rest of the hood then hit it real fast with the cold rag and it just seemed to lock it right there. Dam est thing I ever saw. I would never have thought it would work but it did. The hood had maybe a dozen or better hail dents in it and I got them all out but two. Took maybe a hour after I got the hang of it. Only burnt the paint in a couple of spot and the just enough to discolor it. Filled the two remaining dents, da-ed it down and painted and looked good. Take and old junk hood with hail dents in it and try it. If you can learn the trick it's a real time saver.
04-15-2012 08:57 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by swvalcon
what YOU DO IS TAKE A SMALL BU -TAINE TORCH AND YOU GET SO YOU CAN SITE DOWN THE PANEL YOUR WORKING ON SO YOU CAN SEE THE HAIL DENT AS IT STARTS TO COME UP. Now you slowly warm the area around the dent with the torch working from around the hail dent intoward the middle of it. Dont get the panel to warm and if it starts to go down instead of up get off it with the heat. You should see the hail dent come to where it looks perfect now real fast hit it with a cold rag dipped in water or with ice in it. The panel should lock right there.Ive done hood and roofs this way. I did and old ford taurus hood this way. It was sliver and I couldn't get a couple to come up or we wouldn't have even had to paint the hood. If you get good at it you wont even burn the paint.Find and old hood or trunk lid take a marble in a sock and put some dents in it and practice untill you get the hang of it. Once straight you can do it over and over untill it comes easy to you. When you do it's way faster than filling with mud and blocking straight.
This is a joke right? I have been in the body repair business for 35+ years and couldn't do this to save my life. There is no way I could even come close to pulling this off. I could possible make the dents look "different" but to remove them? Can't imagine this outside of a David Copperfield or Criss Angel show pulling off such magic.

Brian
04-15-2012 08:52 AM
eloc431962
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Originally Posted by gunnzz101
How do I get all of these small dents out my truck looks like a golf ball
It might depend on just exactly what year truck and brand you are working on JMO. You have not said exactly what year truck it is old/new what ?
Could make all the difference on the proper process to do the repair old all steel panels new could have aluminum hood and such on them JMO.
We really need to know exactly what it is IMHO to really help.



Cole
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