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04-19-2012 07:30 AM
piercetdg Oh okay so you can only charge the insurance company $2000 when the damages are $5000 on paper? Then that makes it possible to actually loose money by taking in a job when you add up all the expenses? Causing you to use less expensive methods, making your product look bad, then depreciating the value of the product. If I got that right then maybe the insurance companies should of thought this part of the plan out. Kind of like how no one thought that mortgages and student loans would just increase the price of housing and education.

Do you know if there is more money in selling repaired smashed cars on websites like Kijiji? When I was working we were doing it paired with other jobs but I knew of shops around us that were doing it full time. One shop didn't even have a paint booth, they just drove the car to another shop when everything was finished. I thought that these guys were pumping out cars and I saw branded cars being sold fast even out of my shop. I mean it's not as simple as posting an ad on Kijiji and I could tell you what I mean in a PM if you wanted to sell a car a little faster.
04-19-2012 06:47 AM
richowens many smaller shops do just to get the business..most that do fail and close within 6 months... in order to succeed as a small shop..you can only work a two man crew or step to a seven man crew according to statistics...in addition to being a clever marketer and providing more quality and service than others...I am semi retired now and very happy to be away from the " rat race"...i wasnt able to earn enough as a small business to gain financially and unfortunately..most places I worked carried no retirement, insurance or benefits of any kind....therefore...am retiring with no saviongs...my advice...find another field!!! LOLOLOL
04-19-2012 06:39 AM
Old Fool
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Originally Posted by richowens
well, Pierce...the insurance companies are so big that they actually rule the world...they own all the banks and finance companies and control our financial world..example of insurance crap!!!!..you crash your car and take it to my shop...ok???...you are insured by....lets say Allstate....you have full coverage and have been paying for 10 years to this agency....so..you turn in your claim...you have managed to incur 5000.00 dollars in damage to your2007 corolla...even tho it was not your fault...you are going to be penalized cuz your car has decreased in value so much that it is totaled...now we all know that your Corolla was in tip top shape...doesnt matter...the insurance will only pay 80 percent of the value of your car...so you wioll get a check for4000.00 dollars and you will need to pay the difference of the second loian you took out when you refied the car...what now???? suddenly...your not in such "good hands anymore"...now on my end...lets just say your car had 2000.00 dollars in damage and it will be repaired at my shop...they will pay 1500.00 dollars(cuz you have a 500.00 dollar deductable)toward the repair...it will cost me 1800.00 dollars to fix it but a suppliment is out of the question because we cant border on total we need the business so we will do the job.... we have sacrificed quality of repair now cuz we are forced to cut corners to make a profit...is that really fair??? no its not but its the way of the world and we are powerless to change it...getting tougher all the time
So you wave the deductible?
04-19-2012 12:33 AM
richowens these figures are for example only and probably dont represent exact totals..I am merely making examples of supposition
04-19-2012 12:29 AM
richowens
insurance bugaboo

well, Pierce...the insurance companies are so big that they actually rule the world...they own all the banks and finance companies and control our financial world..example of insurance crap!!!!..you crash your car and take it to my shop...ok???...you are insured by....lets say Allstate....you have full coverage and have been paying for 10 years to this agency....so..you turn in your claim...you have managed to incur 5000.00 dollars in damage to your2007 corolla...even tho it was not your fault...you are going to be penalized cuz your car has decreased in value so much that it is totaled...now we all know that your Corolla was in tip top shape...doesnt matter...the insurance will only pay 80 percent of the value of your car...so you wioll get a check for4000.00 dollars and you will need to pay the difference of the second loian you took out when you refied the car...what now???? suddenly...your not in such "good hands anymore"...now on my end...lets just say your car had 2000.00 dollars in damage and it will be repaired at my shop...they will pay 1500.00 dollars(cuz you have a 500.00 dollar deductable)toward the repair...it will cost me 1800.00 dollars to fix it but a suppliment is out of the question because we cant border on total we need the business so we will do the job.... we have sacrificed quality of repair now cuz we are forced to cut corners to make a profit...is that really fair??? no its not but its the way of the world and we are powerless to change it...getting tougher all the time
04-18-2012 09:17 PM
piercetdg Hey maybe saying I was just as good as the best clear sprayer in the world was a little bit of an over exaggeration. You're still number one champ!

Maybe I'm an idiot but I don't understand how everyone gets screwed over by the insurance companies. Everyone pays ridiculous amounts of money to them by law and I thought they paid the body shops this money to fix the cars. I had to get 2 doors and one fender repaired through insurance and it was around $6500 dollars. Is the problem that insurance companies don't send the smaller shops the business? In the shop I used to work at we fixed up smashed cars and sold them on Kijiji, I thought that financially made sense as well.

Jeez I hope there's a place for me in this world as a painter because I may not be that good at it but it is my best skill. I work very hard everyday so I can get better.
04-18-2012 07:43 PM
richowens
anxiety attacks

way to go buddy...yknow...ive done it all now and im sure that there is many other things in the future that would challenge me...but...im ready to hand over my guns to the next generation...mayby you can take over...not a bad profession..just not steady enough in this economy to feel secure...and the biggest problem facing the industry is the insurance companys..they have the shop owners by the neck and I dont see a way out..you are either in bed with them or you starve...good luck
04-18-2012 02:49 PM
piercetdg This isn't my first paint job and I have a tun of confidence in my clear spraying ability because I know that the only difference between me and the best clear painter on the planet is that I sometimes run. Unfortunately every time I've painted a complete I've had at least 1 problem that I had to solve and now I'm not scared of completes in the slightest. When I see a problem, right before my heart rate spikes and I freak out, I remember what my friend Martin told me. "I don't let those little things bring me down, don't get upset because it's not worth it". Actually on the last car I painted when water splashed out from a crevasse, it was almost like he was right beside me saying it right to my face. Sure enough I didn't panic, not even for one second.

I might be an amateur but I'm going to remember what Martin told me for as long as I paint and I think even a vet can improve if he says those words to himself out loud. It's called an affirmation and it's you're greatest offense against anxiety!
04-18-2012 09:30 AM
richowens
Pinting butterflies

hahahahaha...LOLOLOL....yeah..I have to admit that there is a mental aspect to painting big jobs...especially if its a high end vehicle and light metallic...always somethin!!!! LOL....but after a few thousand of them..you just accept the fact that there is nothing about what im doing that cant be repaired...so...if i get a run or if the metallic shows blotchies...i just need to fix it and go on...nervousness only adds to the problem...pretty technical for a guy who just does it sometimes and only needs to fix a problem sometimes..we can always overthink the project and get even more nervous...my advice...just do it !!!!LOL...and yeah..Maaco teaches completes well
04-18-2012 08:48 AM
swvalcon Brain you should of went to work for macco for a couple months a complete would no longer be a big thing but I know what you mean. Seems like when I want something to come out perfect I can screw something up. If I don't care and just go in and give it a quick one-two It looks like a show car.
04-18-2012 08:22 AM
MARTINSR I have never walked into a booth to spray a complete without being a nervous wreck, and I am talking about when I was painting every day for a living. Maybe it's just me, but that complete would kick my ars when I was done I felt like I had just ran a marathon! And the mental aspect, knowing that there are a million and one ways you can screw up just added to it. A few panels, a whole side, never thought a thing about it, wham bam done. But the complete, there was always a mental thing about that to overcome.

Brian
04-18-2012 08:14 AM
richowens I agree with you Brian..there is a lot to painting a complete..and yes..I have been painting for about 40 years so I do know a few things about paint...I simply assumed that the he wanted to paint the whole car...we dont know unless specified how far someone wants to go...therefore...no estimates without visuals LOL...but you are right..and yes...I shouldnt assume anything....thanks for your input...we hope not to confuse people here
04-18-2012 08:07 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by piercetdg
Well my car is a 2003 and I really want to paint it but I have no good reason to other than a few stone chips in on the hood. I could spot repair the stone chips and clear the rest of the hood but then it wouldn't match well.

So what I was thinking was sand the entire car with 1000 wet then spray some base on the stone chips then clear the whole thing. Get a perfect show room finish, fix the stone chips, work less, and save a bit of money.

Is there a problem with this plan? Any durability issues that I may encounter? Is there a better way to prep a car like this (with scotchbrite I mean)?
I have to assume you have never sprayed a complete. If you had you would NOT be thinking of this as it is a HUGE project compared to a hood. It is like building a two bedroom two bath house compared to a dog house, it is a LOT more work. And most of all, a LOT more wide open spaces for errors. There is no reason to add detail to make this understood I hope, if there is no reason to spray anything else, don't do it!

Brian
04-18-2012 07:03 AM
richowens
polish vs. total clear

these guys are right...we would only do the hood and a blend into the fenders...much less work and a little detail for the rest of the car and most people would never know it was damaged..just be careful of your brand mixing...time may cause delamination of the clear if you do...yeah...keep it simple
04-18-2012 05:57 AM
swvalcon MartinSr is right on at the most all you would have to do is the hood and fenders and buff the rest of the car.
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