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04-24-2012 09:09 AM
novafreek6872 Brian

It would be in the living room if I thought I could get away with it!
I was going to put it back on the car but I can't bear to put it out in the elements yet! LOL

Thanks for all the great tips I know I will have many more q s.

Andy
04-24-2012 07:45 AM
MARTINSR I think it looks awesome, and I love that it's inside the house with all the other treasures.

Brian
04-24-2012 03:45 AM
novafreek6872 I relocated my air intakes to a little above ground level yesterday and sealed off the old ones. All I need now are some high quality filters and I think I will be in business! Painting the hood, decklid and cowl panel from my 71 Nova, probably within the week. I will again be bo going with SS Urethane Black. I think the new vent system will work much better as it wont be pulling air OVER my work, and of course I will wet the floor down good as always. Will keep ya posted.

Took this yesterday of my completed Camaro hood. Thanks so much for all the tips and advice! This forum is the best!



Andy
04-23-2012 07:50 AM
MARTINSR Give it a try.

Brian
04-23-2012 04:26 AM
novafreek6872
Had A Brainstorm !

close off the air intakes I have now and install new ones about 1 foot off the floor in the same locations just low. Only use the low fan while painting and dont leave the booth until final coat flashes.

Good Plan??? TIA


Andy
04-22-2012 09:28 PM
novafreek6872 I actually did find some black mist around a switch cover in the booth, so I will be taping around all of them super good too. As far as any fumes in the house, its really a non issue, those fans are sucking them out and clear to the next county... Hence the dust again!! LOL

I'm not worried, I'm operating in a safe manner, I can live with a little dust I wont be doing any paint work that doesnt get buffed out.

Thanks for all the thoughts and ideas on this. Going to bed now, havent had alot of sleep this weekend, guess I'll just have to sleep at work tomorrow!! haha

Andy
04-22-2012 07:22 PM
MARTINSR Good thinking.

I also know that no matter how good you seal it that paint gets into places you would never think. I remember painting a Firebird in the garage. I taped up the door leading to the kitchen thinking it was sealed up good. The next day I found overspray on the dishes in the cupboards! I have learned a lot of respect for this stuff.

If you are spraying in your garage you be sure you family is FAR away from that house. And be sure to air it out GOOD before they are allowed back in.

Brian
04-22-2012 07:16 PM
st3gamefarm Adding to what Brian said about trash comming from somewhere. I've found that, for some reason, if you have an air leak in th' booth, overspray will gather, and stick to the surface adjacent to the leak.
While painting one hood, may not be enough overspray to show up. Black against a white background, it may be there if you look closely. around doors, switch covers, windows etc.
04-22-2012 05:02 PM
novafreek6872
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Originally Posted by 455olds
Looks good! It gives me hope as I can't afford to pay someone to paint my car either.

THANKS!!!

Andy
04-22-2012 04:22 PM
455olds Looks good! It gives me hope as I can't afford to pay someone to paint my car either.
04-22-2012 12:29 PM
novafreek6872 Thanks so much, I feel honored! I hope others see my videos and gain a little bit of info about the products and methods i am using. There is really nothing difficult here, just basic common sense about taking your time and trying to keep your work and work area as clean as humanly possible. I have had 3 other cars painted by lifetime body and paint guys who each had booths (albiet not super high tech downdraft operating room stuff) and every single one of those cars came out with just as much or almost as much dust settled ON TOP of the final wet coat of paint. Guess what? Thats the first thing that gets sanded off!! Its like a no brainer!!

Would I like less dust on my next project? Of course! I can truthfully say when I shot the first video I didnt even give the dust a second thought because I knew it was first to go. I was MUCH MORE concerned about how long it was going to take to get the more orange peely areas sanded down flat.

I'm surprised it had such an effect on people, but I guess they havent been around too many paintjobs that come out of less than perfect "booths".

Anyway, I have enjoyed the input and the discussion and I am on to the next project: My Nova that I have wanted to repaint for at least the last 6 years or so, just didnt have the money to pay someone else to do it!

CHEERS!

Andy
04-22-2012 11:44 AM
dinger Nice job! In the first post you made you show video 1 and 2, you should have shown 6 also, I saw that on the side of the youtube site and watched that one also, of course you did show the results later in the thread. That may be why not a lot of comments, they were waiting for the final results. Like Henry's (tech69) this would be a good one for the knowledge base, I would also like this in the lounge for more exposure but I'll leave it alone, it has some good tech advice. Verrrrry Nice! You're son will love this, you might have to do the rest of the car now..lol. Thanks for sharing, this shows what a guy can do at home. Dan
04-22-2012 11:30 AM
MARTINSR I say down low, if the air can move out without going OVER the painting area I think you are better off. Again, this is NOT the proper way a booth works. With a real paint booth the air moves right past all your work. With a down draft like we have at work almost the entire roof is the intake and a giant filter. The exhaust is UNDER the car. It has a big hole under the car with a piece of metal covering the center of that hole leaving a gap around the edge of an inch or so, all the air comes down from the top and around that car with the overspray being taken away RIGHT NOW away from the work and going under the car.

But we are talking multiple filters that it is going thru. We are also talking a pressurized system where the air is is being pushed into the booth and being sucked out in a happy little dance. So it is quite different.

At home, in my personal opinion unless you have a LOT of air movement and a really good filter system you are best off to just get the damn overspray out before it falls on a wet finish and flattens it out.

You have gone to such lengths I am thinking you are pretty close to having a pretty decent "booth" and are doing a heck of a job. Where you go from here, I don't know. That dirt in the paint was coming from somewhere! Maybe do some kind of testing with smoke to see where the air is coming in? Maybe it is skipping the filter somehow. It looks like you have done a great job at making it air tight but maybe there is something you missed? But more likely it is coming thru the filters. I know old school was wetting the filters with water. I remember an old cross flow booth at a shop I worked at years ago we had a sprinkler out in front of the intake filters that would be turned on before spraying.

This isn't so good anymore with modern high solids iso kicking paints though.

Brian
04-22-2012 11:02 AM
novafreek6872

04-22-2012 10:45 AM
novafreek6872 Hey Brian,

Great to see you again! You were one of the people I was referring to and I'm always open to hear your opinions and advice. Thanks!

OK, here's the booth setup. its 12x22. 2 filters on the dividing wall between 2 garages (same size). They are 16x20 and about at eye level (6ft) spaced out evenly along the 22 ft wall. On the outside wall I have a attic fan 7ft up and centered in the 22 ft. I also have a old furnace fan about a foot off the floor and near the garage door.

Now, here is my theory about the dust...

First I completely cleaned any crap out the booth the night before all except for sawhorses and hood and air hose. I thoughly vac'd the floor with a commercial shop vac and new bag. The walls all have brand new paint and new salt treated "baseboard" all around the floor.

On the morning of painting, I lightly wetted the entire floor down and never opened the large outside door. I turned on the fans 1 hour before painting and left the room.

My theory is this: The furnace filters I am using are crap and the fans are sucking dust right through them. #2 I left the booth a couple times quickly thru an interior door.

Next time I'm getting new micro filters, turning 1 fan off and trying to not leave the booth at all.

NOW, which fan would be better to leave run? Up high, or down low? I value your opinion.







Andy

PS. lots of related pics on my homepage
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