|Yesterday 10:56 PM|
|BuzzLOL||. My biggest complaint of 1970's cars was 1940's compression ratios being used with 1960's cams giving 7 - 9 MPG city and 10 - 13 MPG hiway... at best... soggy engines with little HP that were all done by 4500 RPMs... what I've always called: "The Dark Ages of Engines"... 1960's cars got much better MPG... MPG started coming back again about 1976, but only in the smallest cars to start with...|
|Yesterday 10:18 PM|
. Insurance companies didn't like car insurance back then, they wanted to sell life insurance policies... most people let their policies lapse before they died and they seldom had to pay off... then about 1980, AIDS came on the scene... car insurance has looked better and better to them ever since...
|Yesterday 08:46 PM|
The 2nd Gen Camaros NEVER changed suspension components throughout the 1970-81 years. The only major change was dropping the 8.2 10 bolt after 1970, and also dropping the 12 bolt after 1970. All the front and rear suspension that was offered in 1970, was still used in 1981, so where's the better handling?
Yes, you can build any engine Chevy made to more power than it came with. But that has little or nothing to do with a car's value. The value is in what the car came from the factory with, and the earlier 2nd gen Camaros are more valuable because they came with higher HP engines.
All that fugly disco plastic wasn't just ugly, it also had a huge amount of steel behind it, so beyond having an anemic engine, it carried around 300 lbs. of extra weight to further slow them down!
And finally, the early 2nd Gen Camaros were pre DEQ, so they don't have all that smog junk on them. They are exempt from federal EPA or DEQ testing, and thus you can run any engine you'd want to put in them (in most states) and not have to meet any state or federal testing. Start swapping the engine in your '74 or newer Camaro to get the power you'd like, and you'll soon find you've violated federal or state laws, and will have a off road use only car.
As for the TA cleaning any other F body's clock for value. Total BS. Why are you saying "unless it's a BB or HO, or SD"? Any early split bumper RS, or Z/28 will get every penny or more than a TA of later years.
You're either out of touch, or clueless about 2nd Gen F body cars. I've owned them long enough that I know what will or wont sell, and what the values are, and you're so far off track it's nuts.
Here's another thread I'll unsubscribe too, just to avoid having to debate with somebody who's clueless!
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|Yesterday 07:19 PM|
lets try facts shall we, the 2nd gen wasn't of any value until a few years ago.. the later cars are 9-11 years newer.. than the 70.5-73
the 77-78 t/a cleans the early cars clocks on worth as far as $$$ unless you get into the big block and the h.o's and SD of 73-4 . the older crowd that thinks the 71 back had more power.. and the ones that shockingly hate the 2nd gens when they got the wrap rear window, but are the sameones that cried about the new cars blind spots.. go fig.. the #'s matching crowd are the only ones that hold the early cars in more worth, the rest of the car world knows the newer cars handle better, drive better and the power is a rebuild away.. something a car that's 34 y/o or better will need anyways..
If you're into cars that cross a block and then mothballed, and that gets your rocks off, great.. the 79-81 z looks killer.. even with it's disco strip kit.. and not so costly that you'd be afraid to drive it.. most of those 70.5-73 f bodies that have any worth haven't cracked the secondaries in years in anger.. so they might as well have the 1981 lame 145hp as they are driving like rolls ..
Your generation is stuck in 72 or before.. everything after that blows...
those that were 7-13 when the 77's and later came out, like those more.. as it's what they grew up with.. some look at the car, some drive them.. fact is only the rs from the 70.5-73 look good.. the others look tame.. but that's my opinion.. I'll take a poncho thanks..
|Yesterday 06:54 PM|
|Dragonoake||I remember, in the late-70's, when some commentator made comment that the new cop cars "couldn't catch a fat kid on a bike"|
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But the 70 1/2 -73 is the most popular today out of the two.
|Yesterday 12:16 PM|
better than your "loved" 70 1/2 to 73
|09-27-2014 09:11 PM|
Yes even cars like Corvette's were lame, sad then but today they try to mix in old with new, good old nostalgia to keep us happy, good thing performance is back...finally and w warranty. Nothing like the 70's and back, classic lines that last forever.
|09-27-2014 06:50 PM|
|st3gamefarm||I had a '72 Valiant, oddball. It was a plain jane, white, 4 door, no radio, no A/C, no power nuttin', no carpet, vinyl seats, slant 6, 3speed in the floor. Bought it new in '72, (well actually Dec. '71) It was a good lookin' car, but a 4 door. Had a '74 Cutlass that was the "cat daddy" at the time. In HS I had a '65 Chevy. But I agree, in the late '70s early '80s cars went to spit. Trying to make up for their lack of performance with newfangled electronix which wasn't worth a crap. But there were a very few that did just enough to make everyone not quite as unhappy. Problem is that those were "old folks cars".|
|09-27-2014 08:44 AM|
[QUOTE=Kwik;2646578]I would call it a sporty car. When the new '77 Z/28 was developed it was done as a handling car, where the latest 350 motor complemented the package, the motor wasn't central to the car's performance like it was in the pre '72 era.
I'd call the post '73 Camaro effort by Chevrolet, "lazy". They took a beautiful car design, and simply cluttered them with either big ugly energy absorbing bumpers, or plastic covered bumpers. It was an attempt to delay designing a new body style, and take the original 1970 body and extend it's life through 1981. The result was an ugly eye sore, when comparing them to the early 2nd gen Camaro body, and bumpers.
It always looked to me like the designers at Chevrolet were either sitting around working on something else, or too lazy to come up with a new body style that would turn heads.
|09-27-2014 06:13 AM|
|deadbodyman||I always loved that one too.....and the TR 4 ,6,7 ,,Jag XKE V-12 ,theres so many great classic imports|
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