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06-04-2012 06:01 AM
gwh
panel Alignment Sequence with other Work

Thanks, Chevymon
06-04-2012 05:55 AM
Chevymon
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Originally Posted by gwh
but body NOT removed from chassis. Assume (not there yet) all body work on panels and body is done and that everything is primered, but no panels have yet been re-installed to body.

1. At what stage of painting should panels be fitted?
The panels should be fitted during the body work process, so that you can make metal work adjustments to the fit before painting, if necessary. You may have to change the contour of one panel to fit the other or what ever is necessary for proper alignment.
06-03-2012 09:31 PM
gwh
Panel Alignment Sequence with other Work

John L., yes the 41 Chevy coupe does have hood that wraps down the sides. Your tip is something that never would have occurred to me. Thanks much! Guy
06-03-2012 08:51 PM
John long Hey gwh. I am going to jump in here and mention something before Brian gets back. I am an old Ford guy and not sure how much this applies to your Chevy. When you are mocking up the front of many old cars, Fords for sure, it is good to fit the hood first. Make sure it fits around the cowl properly. both across the cowl left to right but also around the sides of the cowl vertically. Once the hood is correct you can fit the fenders and grill as mentioned in earlier posts. When you have and old car that has a hood, like a 40 Ford, that wraps a long way down the side of the cowl there is no way allign it last.

John L.
06-03-2012 03:35 PM
gwh
Panel Alignment Sequence with other Work

Brian,

Your article on panel alignment is very helpful. As a beginner, I have a few questions that are probably obvious to experienced folks like you. Please bear with me.

I am doing a total restoration of my 41 Chevy Coupe. All panels (hood, deck lid, all doors & all fenders) were removed, but body NOT removed from chassis. Assume (not there yet) all body work on panels and body is done and that everything is primered, but no panels have yet been re-installed to body.

1. At what stage of painting should panels be fitted?

2. Should weatherstripping, fender welting, hood bumpers, door bumpers all be installed before fitting panels?

Thanks,
Guy
06-03-2012 01:51 PM
tech69 get the camera out and let's see it! Much easier for a DIY'r to see it. you got good knowledge and I think it's worthy of the next step. Get out there and start messing up some panel gaps to realign.
06-02-2012 04:42 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by BarryK
Brian,
Good stuff!
Something you may or may not consider adding is once the gap is perfect is to drill one side of hinge that does not show and cut dowel pins, so if door comes off again, you won't have to think twice.

I'm sure I'm at 80 hours on the two doors for gap work a few years ago but when the hinge goes inside the door I drill 2 1/4 inch holes in the top and one in the bottom and cut about an once off a dowel rod.
I have damage on passenger door to fix and will do the fourth and will not worry a bit about pulling the door to repair.

I guess this would only apply to cars you are restoring or keeping not insurance work.
Also a trick on hinge's that show is drill the hole and weld the dowel in and finishe out the weld, so when you pull off hige the dowel comes out with the hinge.

This can be also done on hoods and deck lids of older cars, I have no clue on the newer ones.


Just a thought as I think this is a real good article.
Yes that is a good trick and can really come in handy. I wish I had done it to my hood hinges I had a few close calls when I installed my newly power coated hinges on the newly painted hood and fenders. The tolerances are pretty close on those mid sixties A body hoods.

Brian
06-02-2012 04:40 PM
MARTINSR There are a zillion things to do to "massage" the panels to fit, this is the "Basics" after all. I don't understand what you mean about shifting the rad support but of course it has to be done all the time. That's why I feel I should have put it in the "Basics" it is pretty basic to have to shift the rad support. I think you were the one who pointed out to me that I had missed that actually.

Brian
06-02-2012 09:44 AM
tech69
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR
One very important part that I left out of this "Basics" is rad support shift. The very first thing that should be done when aligning the front end is cross measuring the the engine compartment and making sure the rad support is where it is suppose to be.

Brian
so you say you never shifted a support to get the panels right?

I think you also forgot to mention different things you can do to line up panels that don't line up with just loosening up bolts. There's a lot of cool things you can do as a last resort. Regardless, it's a great article and would love to see a video of this by you. If you have an apple Imovie is as easy as pie.
06-02-2012 09:21 AM
BarryK Brian,
Good stuff!
Something you may or may not consider adding is once the gap is perfect is to drill one side of hinge that does not show and cut dowel pins, so if door comes off again, you won't have to think twice.

I'm sure I'm at 80 hours on the two doors for gap work a few years ago but when the hinge goes inside the door I drill 2 1/4 inch holes in the top and one in the bottom and cut about an once off a dowel rod.
I have damage on passenger door to fix and will do the fourth and will not worry a bit about pulling the door to repair.

I guess this would only apply to cars you are restoring or keeping not insurance work.
Also a trick on hinge's that show is drill the hole and weld the dowel in and finishe out the weld, so when you pull off hige the dowel comes out with the hinge.

This can be also done on hoods and deck lids of older cars, I have no clue on the newer ones.


Just a thought as I think this is a real good article.
06-02-2012 08:03 AM
MARTINSR One very important part that I left out of this "Basics" is rad support shift. The very first thing that should be done when aligning the front end is cross measuring the the engine compartment and making sure the rad support is where it is suppose to be.

Brian
06-02-2012 08:00 AM
MARTINSR You're welcome Justin, thanks John.


Brian
06-01-2012 09:26 PM
John long Good stuff Brian.

John L
06-01-2012 04:21 PM
66SSImp454 Thanks for posting.
05-29-2012 11:32 PM
MARTINSR I think the hardest part is the simple fact that no door aligns the same. So realistically you would have to take a door and screw it up and align it, then screw it up a different way, then align it, then do something else. I am thinking it would have to be something like that.

Brian
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