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Today 12:07 AM
boothboy Nope not front wheel drive.

BB
Yesterday 11:25 PM
Dave57210
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Originally Posted by boothboy View Post
The Dodge Sprinter uses A Mercedes diesel also.

BB
That'd be because the Dodge Sprinter is, in fact, actually a M-B Sprinter - not a Dodge at all. When Daimler owned Chryco, the M-B sprinter was sometimes badged as a Dodge, Now Fiat makes 'em as part of the deal struck when M-B decided that they wanted NOTHING further to do with Chryco and split up the partnership

The joke (during the partnership) was that a guy called and asked how you pronounce it - is it "DAYm-ler Chrysler" or "DIEm ler - Chrysler". The receptionist replied - It is "DIEmler" - the "Chrysler" is silent.

If ya wanna increase the value of a Dodge Sprinter, just switch the badges frm the Ram to the "peace symbol" - double the re-sale value!
Yesterday 10:49 PM
MARTINSR It looks front wheel drive?

Brian
Yesterday 10:46 PM
MARTINSR I don't have a clue but it sure is interesting!

Brian
Yesterday 10:43 PM
boothboy What is this car and what is it's significance?

BB
Yesterday 10:16 PM
boothboy The Dodge Sprinter uses A Mercedes diesel also.

BB
Yesterday 08:36 PM
John long
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Originally Posted by 496CHEVY3100 View Post
Kinda looks like the KW anteater when they were first released or Freightliner Century series,

I actually like the Yellow and black truck .
LOL, They do look manly don't they?

John
Yesterday 08:34 PM
496CHEVY3100 Kinda looks like the KW anteater when they were first released or Freightliner Century series,

I actually like the last Yellow and black truck .
Yesterday 08:32 PM
John long
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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
Cat stopped production of engines to sell several years ago but re-entered the market with their own design, used for dump trucks, and other such vocational vehicles that don't have to meet the same EPA standards as OTR trucks. Unfortunately, they are ugly as sin. After I did a search, I see they are back in the semi tractor business too...





Seems the tractors are for export. This one is in Canada and the Yellow one is right hand drive.

Interesting. I retired in '08. No telling how far behind I might be by now. When I retired Cat was running dual turbochargers trying to build an engine that would run clean enough to pass emmissions but as I understand it they were not able to meet the ever increasing restrictions.

There is no reason for them not to produce engines for any market that does not have to meet the USA EPA emiisions standards. As the technoligy becomes available they may well get back in the US market if they have not already.

All the other Companies, (Detroit, Mercedies, Cummins) were running Catolytic converters but that in itself came with all kinds of issues due to carbon build up.

John
Yesterday 08:19 PM
Too Many Projects Cat stopped production of engines to sell several years ago but re-entered the market with their own design, used for dump trucks, and other such vocational vehicles that don't have to meet the same EPA standards as OTR trucks. Unfortunately, they are ugly as sin. After I did a search, I see they are back in the semi tractor business too...





Seems the tractors are for export. This one is in Canada and the Yellow one is right hand drive.

Yesterday 07:21 PM
John long
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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects View Post
Mercedes was in the mix too and most Freightliners now have Mercedes engines. They rebadged some of the vans as theirs too....

It got really screwy for a while. I'm not certain if Daimler or Mercedes has any ownership interest in Sterling now ???
Daimler, Mercedes, Sterling, and Freightliner are all the same company basically.

Freightliner os technicaly built and sold by Daimler Trucks North America. Daimler designed and built the Mercedes HD truck engine but Freightliner (Daimler Trucks NA) bought Detroit Diesel. This allowed them to give customers the choice of two engines both of which were their own brand.

For those that may not be aware of it Catapillar decided it was not practical to compete with the new EPA requirements and ceased making over the road truck engines. They now make heavy equipment and off road engines only.

Lastly, Freightliner did not sell the Sterling brand. they owned Western Star Sterling, and Freightliner and just decided to quit competing against themselves. They ceased production of Sterling.

Whew, Ain't corperate America fascinating.

John
Yesterday 06:46 PM
Too Many Projects
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Originally Posted by John long View Post
Don't thonk so. The Sprinter Van was badged as both Dodge and Freightliner. Bare in mind, at the time Daimler owned Chrysler, so the Sprinter could be sold by participating Dodge, Freightliner, or Sterling dealers (which may have also been Ford dealers).

Daimler has never sold through FOMOCO unless something has changed in the last year or two.

John
Mercedes was in the mix too and most Freightliners now have Mercedes engines. They rebadged some of the vans as theirs too....

It got really screwy for a while. I'm not certain if Daimler or Mercedes has any ownership interest in Sterling now ???
Yesterday 06:00 PM
John long
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
I didn't know, Ford also sold this Mercedes van rebadged.

Brian

Don't thonk so. The Sprinter Van was badged as both Dodge and Freightliner. Bare in mind, at the time Daimler owned Chrysler, so the Sprinter could be sold by participating Dodge, Freightliner, or Sterling dealers (which may have also been Ford dealers).

Daimler has never sold through FOMOCO unless something has changed in the last year or two.

John
Yesterday 05:34 PM
MARTINSR I didn't know, Ford also sold this Mercedes van rebadged.

Brian

Yesterday 05:05 PM
John long
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Originally Posted by Joe G View Post
You got it, BB! Sterling Bullet is the answer I was looking for.

When Daimler-Freightliner bought Ford Heavy Truck Division, they changed the name from Ford to Sterling. As a result, Ford Truck dealerships became Sterling dealerships and sold Sterling trucks.

An interesting side note; when Ford sold their heavy truck division to Daimler, they not only sold the rights and tooling to their freshly redesigned HN80, but they also sold them the rights and the leftover parts and tooling to every Ford heavy truck ever made - all the way back to 1957, including the L-series, C-series, CL-series, N-series and W-series. I forget exactly how much Ford sold the division for, but it was something less than they had just spent developing the HN80. Sad story, but time marches on.

I suspect that Sterling Bullets will become popular with collectors some day, similar to how Mack Jrs. are coveted by truck collectors today.



Well done, BB, the floor is yours.
I went to work for Daimler when they bought the Sterling. Indeed, many Ford dealers did become Sterling dealers but Sterling was never sold through the Ford Franchise.

One interesting note about Ford selling all the parts rights to Daimler was that many of the parts suppliers would not make parts for Daimler without negotiating a new contract and in some cases refused to produce parts. They had no legal requirement to do business with Daimler and we found ourselves with 4 year old L Series Ford trucks that Ford no longer could sell parts for, we could not get parts from the suppliers and the owner had an almost new truck broke down looking for parts. There were some real nightmare stories.

Of course, At the time Daimler owned Chrysler too so making the bullett with a rebadged Dodge truck was a no brainer.

This questioned brought back a lot of memories some very good, some not so much.

John
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