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07-12-2012 06:36 PM
27TRoadsterguy A local machine shop owner, a member here, read this thread and called me. I have the needed materials.
Thanks to all who offered useful advice, it was much appreciated.
07-12-2012 03:55 PM
F-BIRD'88 The Mcleod rd store has 3 cans of the Molyslip E oil suplement in stock.
Took me less than 45 seconds on the phone to find out.
07-12-2012 03:53 PM
F-BIRD'88 Instead of making this into a 4day $100 project why not try using the telephone to find some moly paste. Why would you install the cam first , then start thinking about what cam lube to use?

The Home Hardware stocking number for the Moly Slip E is #8641-106.
Call the other store and quote this stock number. They either got it in stock or they don't. 5 minutes computer check.

Any of the local automotive supply stores will have a equal product-another brand to the Moly Disulphide Paste. "Isky REV lube"
This is not a proprietary product. Pretty much every lube company makes there version of it. And sells it in everything from small squeeze packs ( samle/single use to bulk 5 gallon pails of it. Every camshaft company has it.

Call them: Do not ask for moly grease.

If you want to know who else stocks the Moly Slip brand products,
email Moly Slip. They will probabily reply with a list.
Not that hard. They are on face book too.

Try these two convienient modern time saving inventions next time.
The telephone and the internet.

Camshaft lube requirements: Try reading the camshaft install directions.
07-11-2012 10:17 PM
27TRoadsterguy I have tbe cam installed all ready, without the Moly, guess that comes back out
07-11-2012 10:09 PM
27TRoadsterguy Well I went to see the owner of the Home hardware in Stamford plaza(a friend of mine), and he and I went through their catalog listings for Molyslip products, everything except Molyslip E has been discontinued. They did not list the assembly lubes AS40 and AS60. I need to find an online supplier of these things, this is ridiculus.Its not surprising, supplies of specialty stuff do not exist in Canada.
07-11-2012 05:28 PM
6426yy No one else has mentioned this yet but I always use a set of old worn out valve springs when doing a cam breakin also.
07-11-2012 04:46 PM
F-BIRD'88
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No, unfortnately its hydraulic lifters, I want to go that way, with a street/strip cam and solid lifters, but I think building a flathead would have been an easier task. I will tell you something, I went to Jack dow's and came out empty handed, Rob doesn't carry Moly products at all, and he said he can't get it. I went to the GM dealer down the street and got a pint of EOS, but they don't stock the cam and lifter pre-lube stuff any more. They can get it but I would have to buy a case, and thats not gonna happen. I am stuck with no material for the lifter faces, except the Permetex Ultra Slick, so that's how my day has gone. One nice thing about being retired.... I have lots of time to chase down parts and materials for an antique engine thats almost as old as I am...LOL
call the Home hardware store in Stamford Plaza or on McLeod rd. The Molyslip products are listed on their online site. They should have it.
Fallsway Auto Supply on Desson. Any of the many local automotive machine shops will have it or can get it next day.

http://www.kcautoparts.com/
07-11-2012 03:06 PM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by 27TRoadsterguy View Post
No, unfortnately its hydraulic lifters, I want to go that way, with a street/strip cam and solid lifters, but I think building a flathead would have been an easier task. I will tell you something, I went to Jack dow's and came out empty handed, Rob doesn't carry Moly products at all, and he said he can't get it. I went to the GM dealer down the street and got a pint of EOS, but they don't stock the cam and lifter pre-lube stuff any more. They can get it but I would have to buy a case, and thats not gonna happen. I am stuck with no material for the lifter faces, except the Permetex Ultra Slick, so that's how my day has gone. One nice thing about being retired.... I have lots of time to chase down parts and materials for an antique engine thats almost as old as I am...LOL
I may have a work-around for you if you can't get a hold of cam break in lube.

B&S (yeah, the mower motor people) sells a moly lube that looks just like the cam lube we all know and love. Dark grey/black, stains the hands, the whole deal. Most any mower shop should carry it and IIRC I've even seen it at either Home Depot or Lowes (check online or call for it first).

Now, cam break in lube is obviously preferred, but this will certainly be better than using white grease or something like that. Work it (or any cam break in lube, for that matter) into the metal- especially on the cam lobes. There's enough surface "porosity" from the parkerizing-type treatment that the lube needs to be rubbed onto/into the lobes, not just laid on the metal. It doesn't need to be slathered all over the place, just on the lobes and foot of the lifters- not on the bearing journals. Motor oil is all the bearings/journals need.
07-11-2012 02:59 PM
RippinRon I've picked up some Comp Cams break in lube at my local Napa in Ontario. I'm not sure if they all carry it or not.
07-11-2012 02:46 PM
27TRoadsterguy No, unfortnately its hydraulic lifters, I want to go that way, with a street/strip cam and solid lifters, but I think building a flathead would have been an easier task. I will tell you something, I went to Jack dow's and came out empty handed, Rob doesn't carry Moly products at all, and he said he can't get it. I went to the GM dealer down the street and got a pint of EOS, but they don't stock the cam and lifter pre-lube stuff any more. They can get it but I would have to buy a case, and thats not gonna happen. I am stuck with no material for the lifter faces, except the Permetex Ultra Slick, so that's how my day has gone. One nice thing about being retired.... I have lots of time to chase down parts and materials for an antique engine thats almost as old as I am...LOL
07-10-2012 06:29 PM
F-BIRD'88
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OK and thanks to all..... so now that I am enlightened about not using synthetics, when I am putting the cam and lifters in, what do I use on the cam bearings at assembly, and the lifter faces(cam contact point) as I am installing these items.

Dave.... that 292 is a neat engine. It has a fantastic exhaust note at 6000 rpm. I have found a set of +0.125" pistons, the next evolution, 320 cid.

FBird, looking at the Moly line up, my choice would be AS65 or AS40 on the cam lobes, and lifter cups and faces, and MolyE on the cam bearings and in the initial oil fill. Many thanks...

Now I need to find the products....CTC, Automotive Warehouse, and Parts Source have NO Moly products at all, the only moly product at McLeod Rd CTC AND Part Source was CTC's own brand of moly hp grease, if they had any of the Moly products, they are well hidden and not in their computers.
I didn't try Jack Dow, I didn't think to go there which is not unusual, Jack was a friend of mine for over 40 years. He was parts manager at a GM dealership called Motorville when got me the long block Camaro Z28 302 CID engine and big block Corvette side pipes that i converted my 65 MGB into a Cobra killer with. Took him for a ride in it from which he emerged a changed man. Thats another story.......but quite truthfully I find it difficult to go to Jacks store, too many memories, he was a great guy. I still miss him. I will try there tomorrow.

My thanks to all for the great info.....thats why I come here...to learn and do it right the first time.
Ya Jack was a real character for sure and a good guy. Always had a joke, pun or funny story to share with his customers.
Over the years I spent a ton of money there and always received exceptional good friendly service.

Rob Dow runs the store now. Still great service, not so dry, corny humor LOL..


If neither local Home hardware (call them) does not stock the Moly Slip E , call Rob @ Jack Dows. He will get it for you.

Engine assembly lube :: mix up some GM EOS with normal engine oil to use as a parts assembly lube on a bearings, rockers etc. Stick it in a oil can.

The moly paste cam lube only goes on the cam lobes them selves.
a small amount cam be put on the base of each lifter. Do not get it on the sides of the lifters. DO not get it all over the place.
Just dab some Moly paste on the lifter foot, dunk the other end of the lifter in oil and install.
Do not try to fill up the lifters with oil.

A mix of GM EOS and motor oil is all you need to use as a general assembly lube.

When you re done just dump the left over EOS and oil in the oil pan along with the can of Moly Slip. E... I like to mix up the can of moly slip in some oil first then dump it in. Use a good Dino oil like Rotella T 15w-40


Do not use a Fram oil filter or a CTC oil filter. I use AC delco filters bought from a GM dealer parts dept. Same place you get the EOS from.

If after you want to run synthetic I would use a 50-50 blend with Dino oil like Rotella and a ZDDP additive if not using a oil with lots of Zinc.
Most all of the off the shelf Motor oils now have reduced Zinc.
Amsoil has a good Syn oil for older cars with hi perf flat tappet cams
Generous amount of Zinc additive.
Rob can get you that too.
Again the only spot that needs the moly disulfide paste (cam lube) is the cam lobes and lifter feet.
CTC used to sell it in big butter dishes.

EP Moly grease is not the same thing as Moly Disulfide Paste Moly Slip brand or isky Rev lube. Do not use grease when assembling a motor at all. "grease" is for wheel bearings and ball joints and U joints.

The Moly Slip E oil supplement is not a engine assembly lube. You just dump it in with the motor oil.

Use a 50-50 mix brew of normal motor oil and GM EOS for engine assembly lube. Thats all you need.

Does this 292 six motor have a solid lifter cam ??
07-10-2012 06:20 PM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by 27TRoadsterguy View Post
I am replacing the cam/lifters in my Chev 292 inline 6. I went to a thread on the forum 2004 date about oil and break-in lubes for engines. The thread centered around the zinc content (none) in the new oils. I cannot find moly in any of the auto stores here. I found 2 GM (additives) one is a Cam/lifter break in lube the other is a new engine additive that can be added to the crankcase for break in purposes. Now, my question, since the lack of zinc is something we are stuck with, I wonder about using Lucas Synthetic oil supplement (since I use mobil 1 in the crankcase) for a cam /lifter pre lube. I do all the good stuff, with engine pre-lube, using a dummy distributor shaft on a drill to fill all the journals and pressurize the oil system.

The attribute of the good synthetic oils is anti-scuff, which why I use it in all my engines with good result. This is the first time that I have built an engine, since my teen age days of hot rodding(i am 65 now) so my knowledge may not be quite up to date. The last engine I built was in 1969, a hot Chev 409, which served me well for 20 years.

Thanks to all.....
Here is a page that may help you.

Good luck.
07-10-2012 06:15 PM
S10 Racer Are you buying a cam/lifter kit from a local parts store or ordering online from someone like Jegs or Summit? If ordering online, they will have the right assembly lube to use on the lobes & lifters. If you can't find the moly, the Permatex "Ultra Slick" Engine Assembly Lube will work fine. In the older days we use to use Lubriplate.
07-10-2012 05:41 PM
27TRoadsterguy
break in oil

OK and thanks to all..... so now that I am enlightened about not using synthetics, when I am putting the cam and lifters in, what do I use on the cam bearings at assembly, and the lifter faces(cam contact point) as I am installing these items.

Dave.... that 292 is a neat engine. It has a fantastic exhaust note at 6000 rpm. I have found a set of +0.125" pistons, the next evolution, 320 cid.

FBird, looking at the Moly line up, my choice would be AS65 or AS40 on the cam lobes, and lifter cups and faces, and MolyE on the cam bearings and in the initial oil fill. Many thanks...

Now I need to find the products....CTC, Automotive Warehouse, and Parts Source have NO Moly products at all, the only moly product at McLeod Rd CTC AND Part Source was CTC's own brand of moly hp grease, if they had any of the Moly products, they are well hidden and not in their computers.
I didn't try Jack Dow, I didn't think to go there which is not unusual, Jack was a friend of mine for over 40 years. He was parts manager at a GM dealership called Motorville when got me the long block Camaro Z28 302 CID engine and big block Corvette side pipes that i converted my 65 MGB into a Cobra killer with. Took him for a ride in it from which he emerged a changed man. Thats another story.......but quite truthfully I find it difficult to go to Jacks store, too many memories, he was a great guy. I still miss him. I will try there tomorrow.

My thanks to all for the great info.....thats why I come here...to learn and do it right the first time.
07-10-2012 03:44 PM
F-BIRD'88 Collee's Automotive or Jack Dow may stock the Moly Slip too.
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