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11-14-2012 06:15 PM
Deuce I, myself have no problem with someone building/owning a fiberglass car
But the coupe in question does ... NOT ... look anything like a 33/34 Ford. The oldest part on it is most likely 10 or 15 years old.

It is a KIT ... body from one source, engine from another ... and so on.
I do not see the first REAL Ford part of any kind on it.

A 33/34 Ford coupe looks similar to this



or without fenders ...

11-14-2012 10:54 AM
painted jester [QUOTE=lakeroadster


OEM vs repro. I guess it depends on your perspective. I never cared about oem vs reproduced bodies (steel or glass) until I got my '69 Camaro which is an all steel numbers matching original survivor. When Dynacorn started importing new camaro bodies, and guys started cutting rusted scrap oem cowl's up and building a "new" Camaro around a VIN tag it chapped my *****. It hurts the value of my vehicle and its just plain dishonest.[/QUOTE]

Same with glass guys buying up titles so they didn't have to title it as New or pass inspection for an assembled title!!!

"Hey, what year is your "T"? "Oh its a 2010

I had a 34 coupe and was beat in COBO by the first glass replica I ever saw personally on the street or at a show !! I admit if it was steel he would have beat me hands down!!!! But I actually chopped mine his came in the kit already chopped! That stuck in my craw all these years!!


So Im kind of biased Jester
11-14-2012 05:12 AM
lakeroadster
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Originally Posted by t-maxxracer32 View Post
Okay I see! And to determine whether or not this is a kit where should I look? When I am in town I will examine the car closer to see if I can find anything.

Thanks for the info!
What's the title say, have you looked at that?

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Originally Posted by gearheadslife View Post
I can go on line and for 25k buy a steel body ready to go.. brookfield roadsters(iirc) among others..
most that OWN these steel cars. you know the oem steel ones didn' build it.. so steel being harder or easier to work with is moot...
both have there place.. sadly.. the car hobby is full of high than to. types.. in every segment..
most on here would laugh at almost all imports.. the rod guys don't like the muscle guys.. the muscle guys don't like the new muscle guys..
it's somewhat sad... and all you got to do is go to a show and walk around and overhear people talking.. I really thing some go just to pick apart everyone car on the field..
FYI: It's Brookville Roadster. I used to live in Brookville Ohio. Neat place, like walking into a time machine. Brookville Roadster

OEM vs repro. I guess it depends on your perspective. I never cared about oem vs reproduced bodies (steel or glass) until I got my '69 Camaro which is an all steel numbers matching original survivor. When Dynacorn started importing new camaro bodies, and guys started cutting rusted scrap oem cowl's up and building a "new" Camaro around a VIN tag it chapped my *****. It hurts the value of my vehicle and its just plain dishonest.
11-13-2012 07:47 PM
MARTINSR As far as them being both difficult I have only done a few fiberglass cars, then a ton of motorhome fiberglass work. Fiberglass box flares, Sixties Shelby's, Corvettes, etc. But on the cars, with modifying stuff or correcting poorly made parts (an Auburn Kit car) it would have been easier in my opinion to do it in metal. But maybe it's more because I hate working the itchy fiberglass.

Brian
11-13-2012 01:52 PM
painted jester There's a big difference between buying a new steel body and finding an old neglected body and bringing it back to life ! Its the same with buying a fiberglass replica and bringing old steel back from the dead!

new glass Kit cars are easy and only need minor repairs on flaws from the molds! That's why they sell kit glass body's! (their easy) Unless your making your own molds for parts I also do that! Its easy to assemble the good glass kits, the cheep ones are poor quality and need additional work like bracing, thickening in areas, filling of pits and blemishes etc! The hardest thing to do on glass kit body's and parts is Knowledge knowing the difference between laminating resin and standard resin , mixing for different dry times( cold or hot mix), cloth or fiber! and sanding that darned glass it itches for days in the damnedest places! I like working on Glass cars And I find it much easier to form a wing or fender flares or fins on a glass car, then making custom additions on steel cars out of steel !

My post before was meant to give that impression I wasn't cutting down glass! I own a glass! I think at a show Glass should be in a different class then old steel though! I always have and I always will !

The arguments are silly each has its points but to argue that they are both equal skill levels pertaining to body's fenders hoods etc is really unrealistic! I use glass on steel while doing some customizing but have never used steel on glass except for the molds or shapes (I also use cardboard, duct tape, chicken wire, wood, and foam) and then Glass them!!!

My opinions arn't every ones and Im not trying to change anyone's! It impressions of 50 years of owning and building both personally and in my business!

Jester
11-13-2012 08:38 AM
gearheadslife come on. history.. really.. most cars on a show field.. are pieces of many donors.. and/or new parts..
I don't care if an owner build it or not either.. but the fact if they drive it or not..
I'd rather see a 1979 t/a with 150k on it than the low mile 234 miles since new car.. as it wasn't enjoyed..
my SS has a history, sold in n.c. and I bought it in maine. oh and it's stock. mighty boring..
the truck was a farm truck. fixed up for a guys son before I got it.. history of haul'n hay,
very few cars have a history worth a darn and those are one owner or one family cars.. (at least to me) my SS came from dale earnhardt chevy in newton n.c. no one really cares that thats the chevy store that sold it.. I'll bet as soon as I change out the engine , I'll get haters..
most of this history you speak off is,, car got old, needed fixing, was parked in barn and forgot about for 40-60 years.. thats the story of most cars as they age.. only that group of owners kept everything as they remembered the depression.. unlike today that they'd junk a car for scrap money before parking it in a barn.. one has to remember that these old cars at one time where just that old worn out junkers.. parked because it was nickle'n and dime'n the owner to death..
11-13-2012 08:10 AM
MARTINSR I think that whole part about who built it is total and complete BS. I am NOT one of those guys who look down on someone who didn't build the car, they are either a car lover or not, and it has nothing what so ever to do with if they built it or not. And in that regard, when I look at someone elses car, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference if it's glass or not, or repro metal or not, the over all impression I get of the car as I look at it from across the street THAT is what moves me.

As far as glass being easier, again, I don't buy that. I have done both and I have to say they both take a boat load of time and skills to make nice. They are totally different materials so the job is totally different, but both take a boat load of time and skills, they are just different skills.

But for me personally, not anyone else, for me personally I like the history of a steel car. Now when it's like my truck where there aren't two panels on the whole thing that came from the same truck (well actually the front fenders have known each other from birth, but that's it) it's easy to say there is no history. But when those parts are exactly as the original ones it still works, it's like they all came together. The fact that they came from different sources is quickly forgotten.

Brian
11-13-2012 06:29 AM
gearheadslife
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Originally Posted by painted jester View Post
Very, Very, Well said Brian

Steel has heart and an old soul! A lot more skill to build from steel!!! Lead work, hammer welding, Shrinking ,stretching, rolling,Etc,Etc It becomes part of the builders body and soul even if built for a customer it becomes part of you!

I do glass, and steel I know by doing both I have more pride in the steel !! But they are both nice cars when done!!!


When people buy them already done those guys argue Any one that has built both Knows!!!!! Glass is easy! if you can mix pancake batter you can work glass!!!!

Jester
I can go on line and for 25k buy a steel body ready to go.. brookfield roadsters(iirc) among others..
most that OWN these steel cars. you know the oem steel ones didn' build it.. so steel being harder or easier to work with is moot...
both have there place.. sadly.. the car hobby is full of high than to. types.. in every segment..
most on here would laugh at almost all imports.. the rod guys don't like the muscle guys.. the muscle guys don't like the new muscle guys..
it's somewhat sad... and all you got to do is go to a show and walk around and overhear people talking.. I really thing some go just to pick apart everyone car on the field..
11-13-2012 06:19 AM
gearheadslife
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
We don't need a steel vs fiberglass discussion but to just touch on this. First off, not all guys who want the steel car are like that, the car often remains close to original other than drive train mods.

But even if it were to be cut up like my truck, chopped, sectioned and much more. The point being at least in my case, I like the real vintage car because it has a history. I can't say "original car" because that means something completely different. But I personally like the parts even to have a "history". My cars carried kids home from the hospital, you know what I mean? They went on honeymoons, vacations, drove the elderly to church or out to a dinner to, they have a history. I feel the same way about the parts, about the manuals, I want original owners manuals not reprints because I like the idea that some new car owner looked at this thing to figure out how to work his new car, I dig that thought. On the repair manual, I love the old original manuals with greasy finger prints in them where some hard working mechanic thumbed thru it to get a car back on the road years ago. They have a soul, a history. That's how I see it at least.

Brian

and some also forget that they have it made... drive 2 hours and tow home a 80 y/o car that is not a total rot box..
up here the steel is real. guys.. (don't want to offend anyone) but they blast the fiberglass cars.. even tho.. their car is on a t.c.i. chassis, with a 350/th350, an ididit column and billet everything.. some the body is factory.. more than most are chopped/etc .. som even bought the body already built chopped /etc all new and IN STEEL..
and roll it off a trailor a 1/2 mile from the show field and roll on in.. at 10mph and then roll back out to the box on wheels then home..
I can't see the difference.. ones fiber ones steel.. neither is real.. if real is factory.. all are cool (in my eyes anyways) but be cooler if they drove them.. and here li my beef.. why have all these speed parts and the cost if it's only gonna put in and out of a trailor..
that I just can't see..
I like them all.. but I don't like the way some treat others in this case ,the steel guys blast the fiber body guys.. the steel bodied car is no more real than the fiber one beside it thats on the same chassis and drivetrain as the real steel car..
to me there all kool.. I just don't get the build it then not use it. thing..
and is where I think the ratrod trend came from.. build it. and drive it.. tho. today even thats become over the top.. but it started with the right idea..
Remember gray bakersfields ed. on the goodguys turning away his daily driven streetrod.. but he's smile'n from the grave..
11-12-2012 09:11 PM
painted jester
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
We don't need a steel vs fiberglass discussion but to just touch on this. First off, not all guys who want the steel car are like that, the car often remains close to original other than drive train mods.

But even if it were to be cut up like my truck, chopped, sectioned and much more. The point being at least in my case, I like the real vintage car because it has a history. I can't say "original car" because that means something completely different. But I personally like the parts even to have a "history". My cars carried kids home from the hospital, you know what I mean? They went on honeymoons, vacations, drove the elderly to church or out to a dinner to, they have a history. I feel the same way about the parts, about the manuals, I want original owners manuals not reprints because I like the idea that some new car owner looked at this thing to figure out how to work his new car, I dig that thought. On the repair manual, I love the old original manuals with greasy finger prints in them where some hard working mechanic thumbed thru it to get a car back on the road years ago. They have a soul, a history. That's how I see it at least.

Brian
Very, Very, Well said Brian

Steel has heart and an old soul! A lot more skill to build from steel!!! Lead work, hammer welding, Shrinking ,stretching, rolling,Etc,Etc It becomes part of the builders body and soul even if built for a customer it becomes part of you!

I do glass, and steel I know by doing both I have more pride in the steel !! But they are both nice cars when done!!!


When people buy them already done those guys argue Any one that has built both Knows!!!!! Glass is easy! if you can mix pancake batter you can work glass!!!!

Jester
11-12-2012 08:59 PM
painted jester racingjunk.com is a very good sight to sell or trade or trade plus
cash! Our sight is already mentioned.

Jester
11-12-2012 07:49 PM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by gearheadslife View Post
and I always found that comical. as these "steel is real" types have cars that are nothing like the way it came built by ford..
chopped/pie cuts/etc..
We don't need a steel vs fiberglass discussion but to just touch on this. First off, not all guys who want the steel car are like that, the car often remains close to original other than drive train mods.

But even if it were to be cut up like my truck, chopped, sectioned and much more. The point being at least in my case, I like the real vintage car because it has a history. I can't say "original car" because that means something completely different. But I personally like the parts even to have a "history". My cars carried kids home from the hospital, you know what I mean? They went on honeymoons, vacations, drove the elderly to church or out to a dinner to, they have a history. I feel the same way about the parts, about the manuals, I want original owners manuals not reprints because I like the idea that some new car owner looked at this thing to figure out how to work his new car, I dig that thought. On the repair manual, I love the old original manuals with greasy finger prints in them where some hard working mechanic thumbed thru it to get a car back on the road years ago. They have a soul, a history. That's how I see it at least.

Brian
11-12-2012 06:20 PM
gearheadslife
Quote:
Originally Posted by 327NUT View Post
No pardner it's nothing against you at all, what I meant was some folks that own the "real steel" original Fords have a problem with other folks that refer to their fiberglass "kit cars" as they put it by the original manufacturer's name. Hence the term "replica" as I refer to my own '32 Victoria build, this has been going on forever.
and I always found that comical. as these "steel is real" types have cars that are nothing like the way it came built by ford..
chopped/pie cuts/etc..

good luck with the car...
maybe list it on ebay.. with a crazy hi reserve.. to see where the car bids go to.. without loosing the car.. if it gets to a point you feel is high enough(bids) you can always lower the reserve..
this give you an idea.. of what people in the market might pay.. without fear of a no reserve auction..
you'll have the choice to lower the reserve and sell or use the listing as a tool to know about what it should bring.. and go from there.
11-12-2012 05:56 PM
t-maxxracer32 Okay I see! And to determine whether or not this is a kit where should I look? When I am in town I will examine the car closer to see if I can find anything.

Thanks for the info!
11-12-2012 10:09 AM
327NUT No pardner it's nothing against you at all, what I meant was some folks that own the "real steel" original Fords have a problem with other folks that refer to their fiberglass "kit cars" as they put it by the original manufacturer's name. Hence the term "replica" as I refer to my own '32 Victoria build, this has been going on forever.
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