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11-14-2012 01:35 AM
tech69 you're right. It was a bad call but at least I knew it was there. It would only be a real problem if I didn't know it was there or if I wasn't open to addressing it. When the boss is complaining about time and you look around and everyone in the shop is good and fast you have to decide where to cut corners and it doesn't please everybody. There's a lot more I can say to state my case but I'll just say in the end the right call was made and the majority rules on this one.
11-13-2012 11:54 PM
gearheadslife can I ask why you where making a judgement call on the decklid and not the boss/owner?
as seen as his names on the work?
11-13-2012 11:38 PM
tech69
I blew up on the painter today!

So today we get in a huge argument. So we're working on this yellow charger and it's a cheapie job. We weren't stripping it so what was noted upon initial inspection is what was paid for, but since it was a dull yellow, after blocking on it we realized there was much more needed than what was paid for in the estimate. So I block the decklid and at first I see two shallows. I fill them and block. I then realized the shell is pushing up against skin and there's no access from the backside. So I use a dinging spoon and hammer and gently lower those high spots adhered to the skin and fill. So I then fill and by the time I feel it's half way decent nearly half the decklid has filler. So I'm kind of concerned with time so I let it go before it was perfectly straight. It was a judgement call, and sometimes you have to do that in a shop. So in t So the painter gripes about it and to make a long story short I tell him 2-3 times it's not a big deal for me to take the decklid back and finish it, and I also told him it was judgment call, I knew it was there, but I felt I had to stop at some point being it wasn't a high dollar job. And that's the thing, with low dollar jobs that look good YOU have to pick and choose where you skimp and where you don't. I knew what it was going to look like and the car is gonna be damn good for the amount paid. So after I tell him I'll take it back(which should have been his point after all) he's adament that I don't take it back and he's just gonna prime it. So then he goes and primes it and comes back out moaning after the first coat. At that point I was mad. My work is good and here he is trying to talk to me like I'm his punching bag. In a nut shell, he was right for bringing it up but let's work together AS A TEAM and you'll have your decklid in 20-30 minutes. Noooooooooo, he just wanted to prime it so he can then come back out and cry about it more. I angrilly said, "why are you telling me this after you primed it when I said it wasn't a problem for me to go back over it?" So basically what he did was just wanted to use the opportunity to have leverage. During the argument the boss heard me say everything he's been secretly telling us about how he feels about him and how everybody in the shop feels the same. I also told him that he picks and chooses what he criticizes and it happens to never be about his work. So you got him over here griping about a tiny wave that I had no problem re-addressing and it's the end of the world in his eyes yet when he's forced to commission and gets a burn thru it's perfectly normal "procedure" to just "touch it up"... YEAH RIGHT! and it was never brought to HIS attention cause he's taking the boss for a ride. Anyhow, I left work early and the boss just called me to tell me not to worry about my job and he's getting canned at the end of the month, just long enough to give him time to finish up some of his own personal jobs.

As Brian said, there's much I still can learn from this to control what I can control and that is more restraint. I took a lot from that jerk but I still need to learn to keep cool when someone's keeping cool but being a total dirk. I could have easily gotten fired but through the whole ordeal with this jerk everyone's feelings were mutual about him so I think my boss understood.
11-13-2012 11:18 PM
bullheimer easy, my favorite saying is that If i worked for myself, i'd have to fire me. I'm the idiot as i work for myself.
11-13-2012 09:49 PM
tech69
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Originally Posted by Supercharged03 View Post
I didn't work with this idiot, but I had him working for me through a contractor.

My wife and I restored a 100 year old Victorian house on Galveston Island several years ago and gave the A/C work to a friend's son. The son let one of his workers do the job. The joker used 100 year old pine bead board paneling I had painstakingly removed from the interior walls to build the subfloor for the A/C unit in the attic! When he cut openings for the vents in the wood floor, he cut the holes too big for the vents, forcing me to patch every single opening. He connected the two electric heater elements to a single 30amp wire, leaving a second wire hot and dangling against the furnace enclosure. The guy was so stupid, I told my wife he's lucky breathing is an involuntary act - if he had to think about it, he'd suffocate.
hahhahaa

Man, what a dumb- dumb. A lot of courage to take on a job like that without knowing what you're doing, but also dumb as you say to even think he'd get it done right.
11-01-2012 10:38 PM
69 widetrack And yet these people have a drivers license, are allowed to buy liquor and have a telephone number.
11-01-2012 09:45 PM
Supercharged03
Idiot

I didn't work with this idiot, but I had him working for me through a contractor.

My wife and I restored a 100 year old Victorian house on Galveston Island several years ago and gave the A/C work to a friend's son. The son let one of his workers do the job. The joker used 100 year old pine bead board paneling I had painstakingly removed from the interior walls to build the subfloor for the A/C unit in the attic! When he cut openings for the vents in the wood floor, he cut the holes too big for the vents, forcing me to patch every single opening. He connected the two electric heater elements to a single 30amp wire, leaving a second wire hot and dangling against the furnace enclosure. The guy was so stupid, I told my wife he's lucky breathing is an involuntary act - if he had to think about it, he'd suffocate.
11-01-2012 01:46 PM
E.Furgal
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Originally Posted by novafreek6872 View Post
The head painter in the shop makes $30K a year living in California?? Where does he sleep, on a cot in the back room?? Damn I actually feel sorry for the guy.

My take. Don't let the guy get to you, jobs arent perfect, bosses arent perfect and coworkers arent perfect... its pretty easy to tune out the jerks and just do what you are supposed to. I've watched your videos and it looks like a damn good job to me, I'd love to get paid to do what you do and know what you know. You obviously have alot of talent. I'd be willing to bet that you make that painter feel pretty insecure about himself, hell maybe he's had a really screwed up life... who knows why he is the way he is. From some pics you post, it looks like he knows how to paint.

Be glad you have a great job, I've been unemployed for 5 months and can't buy a job! Thank God my wife is working and I can draw unemployment. You only appreciate how good you have it when it all goes away.

Andy
x2

good luck with your job hunt
11-01-2012 12:35 PM
deckofficer What Andy said, and the poor guy is living on $30K in California. My motto, be nice to all the nut cases, as you never know how tightly they are sprung. There has been too many work place shootings.
11-01-2012 11:25 AM
novafreek6872 The head painter in the shop makes $30K a year living in California?? Where does he sleep, on a cot in the back room?? Damn I actually feel sorry for the guy.

My take. Don't let the guy get to you, jobs arent perfect, bosses arent perfect and coworkers arent perfect... its pretty easy to tune out the jerks and just do what you are supposed to. I've watched your videos and it looks like a damn good job to me, I'd love to get paid to do what you do and know what you know. You obviously have alot of talent. I'd be willing to bet that you make that painter feel pretty insecure about himself, hell maybe he's had a really screwed up life... who knows why he is the way he is. From some pics you post, it looks like he knows how to paint.

Be glad you have a great job, I've been unemployed for 5 months and can't buy a job! Thank God my wife is working and I can draw unemployment. You only appreciate how good you have it when it all goes away.

Andy
11-01-2012 11:02 AM
Irelands child
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Originally Posted by 67Mustang Al. View Post
Hi Dave. This is off the off-topic thread here but how did you go in the wild weather that has hammered your upstate .???? Hope you had that coupe chained down. Our evening news here has graphic footage of NJ.
Cheers
Al.
Al - see the PM ---- Dave
11-01-2012 06:55 AM
67Mustang Al.
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Originally Posted by Irelands child View Post
Tech - this is a case where you go to the boss, ask him to accompany you for a walk to the car, reminding him of the discussion of the previous day you had with him. Point out what you came to work to. The boss, I would bet, is well aware of this guy and is probably keeping track of how he works with others and might be looking for a reason or several to cut him loose. I didn't suffer with idiots before I retired. I either let the boss take care of it or handled it myself (and still do in my personal life). Do NOT get physical as not only he will suffer, but you will then have that black mark for future employment,
Hi Dave. This is off the off-topic thread here but how did you go in the wild weather that has hammered your upstate .???? Hope you had that coupe chained down. Our evening news here has graphic footage of NJ.
Cheers
Al.
11-01-2012 06:13 AM
E.Furgal
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Originally Posted by tech69 View Post
thanks guys. I'm kind of kicking myself for leaving these posts cause today he was really nice, which is kind of the way he apologizes, so now I feel like a jerk.
everyone has a bad day. here and there.. as long as you don't hold a grudge.. all should be fine..
11-01-2012 06:05 AM
geezer69 i work with an idiot ever day...i work alone. hahaha
11-01-2012 06:01 AM
E.Furgal
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Originally Posted by deckofficer View Post
I don't mind his baseless Obama bashing, we all have that right. I don't like being lied to and misrepresenting who he is, just don't respect those attributes.

prove you've been lied to..
I even pmed you.. the reasoning.. and you're still at it..
you sir have no respect, for anything..
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