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12-02-2012 04:38 AM
Richiehd
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Originally Posted by gerry rautenbach View Post
now you are really going to think i'm stupid what should i use the old exh looks like it is ready for scrap metal ( by the way i sent a mail to jones cams waiting for reply) should i use something similar -aftermarket ? any part numbers i can look at ?
Here is the link to Glenwood. Maybe you might find a dealer near you that could help
Glenwood Marine Equipment

I might have decent picture somewhere, you might have to wait until Monday
12-02-2012 02:58 AM
gerry rautenbach
exhaust

now you are really going to think i'm stupid what should i use the old exh looks like it is ready for scrap metal ( by the way i sent a mail to jones cams waiting for reply) should i use something similar -aftermarket ? any part numbers i can look at ?
12-01-2012 12:34 PM
Richiehd
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Originally Posted by gerry rautenbach View Post
gee thanks a lot sorry that i sounded a bit stupid but as i said boat motors is new to me so i think i will go for a hydraulic roller e street heads performer int that should be a good combo from idle to lets say max of 4500-5000 rpm do you think i am on the right track?
Nobody stupid here, everyone has questions. Yes you are on the right track. You see now why a marine cam is different? What did you decide about the exhaust?
12-01-2012 05:47 AM
gerry rautenbach
more on 383 stroker

gee thanks a lot sorry that i sounded a bit stupid but as i said boat motors is new to me so i think i will go for a hydraulic roller e street heads performer int that should be a good combo from idle to lets say max of 4500-5000 rpm do you think i am on the right track?
12-01-2012 05:21 AM
Richiehd If you get too much cam overlap and duration, water will get sucked into the exhaust on the intake stroke. You might also find the motor would start dry but when it is in the water, would not start because the exhaust pipe is filled with water. A good cam grinder understands this if he has done work on marine engines before. Usually under 280 degrees duration. I called one of the big cam manufacturers one time and had to explain this to the guy on the tech line. Thats when some one on this site turned me on to Jones Cam Design who has ground cams for marine engines before. I gave him my specs and he had 2 choices for my engine. I put in a solid lifter cam that pulls well from 3500 right up through 7200 rpm.
12-01-2012 02:20 AM
gerry rautenbach
water reversion

could you explain what water reversion is (never heard of it before)
11-30-2012 07:15 PM
Richiehd [QUOTE=gerry rautenbach;1617522]like i said the boat is not for racing but should be able to pull skiers easily and have some fun it look"s like the cam is very important any part numbers that i should look at? exhaust's are wet as i understand (big bulky and don't look like they are in very good condition QUOTE]

Jerry,Get yourself a marine performance cam.You should stay under 280 degrees duration. When you call the tech line for help make sure and ask them about water reversion, if the guy says "What?" hang up and move on!! Then contact Jones Cam Design in North Carolina
If you are to take full advantage of all that horsepower you are going to have to step on the exhaust. Glenwood makes an excellent exhaust log and elbows that will not be that of a header but much better than cast iron manifolds. A little pricey but worth the investment and will give you years of service, plus they look great! Glenwood located in California USA
11-30-2012 03:45 PM
hcompton
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Originally Posted by 1Gary View Post
Here is some of Richard's work with me on 383 torquer:

Custom cam 206/214, 106/113/109.5, 0.420"/0.420, (-3)(29)(40)(-6) installed straight up.
Streetmaster intake manifold (1st design).
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Edelb...Q5fAccessories
RPM HP TQ
1000 88 461
1500 149 521
2000 204 535
2500 247 520
3000 289 506
3500 319 478
4000 346 455
4500 357 417
5000 348 366
5500 319 305
Peak BMEP 210.8 @2000. This is some serious cylinder pressure, so a very tight squish (I would be thinkin' 0.035" to 0.040" with a D-cup piston) would be mandatory to prevent detonation on pump gas.

Do think it would work well in a marine application.
That cant be a real dyno reading. Hp and tq are way off. If your making 500ft of tq then you would be making at least close to that in hp. Not less than half with a much wider power band. Cam also does not seem to have a VE in the 2k rpm range. Is that engine sim or something. I must be missing something. That looks too good to be true.
11-30-2012 02:32 PM
vinniekq2 yes you can use e street heads and 600 carb.If you dont own them then I dont see why you would buy them? The 3.8 stroke might be a good idea.

another option to bring the rpm down lower and increase the torque sooner
4.03 bore X 3.875 stroke= 396,with same parts I mentioned before or sub street master intake, small roller hydraulic and 500 pounds torque should happen. In a ski boat I would think pulling 6 one ski skiers as easy.
11-30-2012 02:10 PM
gerry rautenbach
more on 383 stroker

like i said the boat is not for racing but should be able to pull skiers easily and have some fun it look"s like the cam is very important any part numbers that i should look at? exhaust's are wet as i understand (big bulky and don't look like they are in very good condition so for heads can i use EDL e street with performer int and 600 marine carb? (will use 383 stroker kit and ballance the assembly ) hopefully you can make sense of all i write. thanks its allmost midnite here in Kimberley South Africa!!
11-30-2012 01:12 PM
vinniekq2 1Gary,what heads were you using?and combustion chambers?
what stroke was the 383?Thats a big spread of HP and torque.The hp looks correct and Ive used that intake a couple times with great success. I was looking for slightly more HP via a slightly bigger cam,perhaps put in 2 degrees early.and wasnt expecting quite that much torque,but that chart looks fantastic.

was it 3.8 stroke ??
11-30-2012 12:47 PM
ap72 no way in hell will you have 535ftlbs at 2,000 RPM on any NA sbc 383 that runs on pump gas.
11-30-2012 12:36 PM
1Gary Here is some of Richard's work with me on 383 torquer:

Custom cam 206/214, 106/113/109.5, 0.420"/0.420, (-3)(29)(40)(-6) installed straight up.
Streetmaster intake manifold (1st design).
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Edelb...Q5fAccessories
RPM HP TQ
1000 88 461
1500 149 521
2000 204 535
2500 247 520
3000 289 506
3500 319 478
4000 346 455
4500 357 417
5000 348 366
5500 319 305
Peak BMEP 210.8 @2000. This is some serious cylinder pressure, so a very tight squish (I would be thinkin' 0.035" to 0.040" with a D-cup piston) would be mandatory to prevent detonation on pump gas.

Do think it would work well in a marine application.
11-30-2012 10:53 AM
vinniekq2 Gerry,you will need to decide what you need and at what RPM you will spend the most time.If you want more power than what I stated,then you will need bigger parts like what AP72 said.

the sky is the limit or wallet?
11-30-2012 10:25 AM
ap72
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Originally Posted by vinniekq2 View Post
Dart SHP 180cc Straight Plug Aluminum Heads,GM Hi-Performance 4 Bolt Block(new), Hydraulic Roller Camshaft,edelbrock performer(air gap),nodular or better internal balanced 3,75 stroke cam,hyper or forged pistons,keep compression around 9-9 1/4 for a boat, the engine like this would cost me about $7,500,not cheap and likely 430-440 hp at 5,200 RPM.
power can be adjusted up or down as required,your choice.Im thinking an engine that will last years and be reliable.
are you planning to use fuel injection or carb? for skiing F.I. would be nicer. what kind of exhaust manifolds are you using? wet or dry?
an engine like this would make around 300 hp as low as 3,000 rpm with peak torque around there depending on camshaft chosen.
When I built my 434 I purchased my parts from eastern states and had them air freighted to Vancouver Canada,it was cheaper to ship than the hood I bought in California and had sent by truck.Look into freight costs and see if you can get a package sent?
Although a 180cc runner is about right I wouldn't use the SHP heads, if you're going to spend the money for some nice ones I'd look into some Profilers for an "as cast" head.

SBC 23 Degree Cylinder Heads

If you plan on taking this thing up to 6,000 rpm often you may want to consider the 195cc version.
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