|12-03-2012 06:52 PM|
|Oilyrascal||Sure as I can be, I am doing what the service manual says to do, seem to adjust much like any other older vehicle, adjust them out till they rub and then back them off a little.|
|12-03-2012 05:33 PM|
you said after you pump the brakes all is well.are you sure you have brakes adjusted properly
|12-03-2012 04:45 PM|
|12-03-2012 04:43 PM|
Can you elaborate on the master size issue as well, again I have posed all of these questions on another forum and I am amazed that you guys have had so much to say that actually is making sense and helping.
|12-03-2012 04:38 PM|
The wheel cylinders are real strange in how they fit into the backing plate, they are un-like anything I have ever seen. I have poured over Napa catalogs loaned to me from a Napa friend and have found nothing like them.
I guess I could modify anything to work but I have to figure the time it would take to do so.
What do you think about the post made by Poncho, the front reservoir is much smaller and that is the one that fed the disks originally. Also the proportioning valve deal makes sense.
|12-03-2012 04:32 PM|
I have also considered the master as being an issue because as you say it was made for disks up front, again I have suggested this very same question to others and have been blown off. Please elaborate if you can.
I know what a proportioning valve does, just trying to understand why I may need one here.
|12-03-2012 01:58 PM|
all of the above plus you can power bleed the system if you think you and your bleed partner are missing some air. do it twice.Make sure fluid is coming out clean before you tighten bleeder.
You can also use your finger over bleeder opening to prevent air being drawn back in if you must bleed with out power bleeder and you are not sure about partner lifting the pedal too quickly.
|12-03-2012 01:51 PM|
|12-03-2012 07:08 AM|
|Irelands child||That '86 MC just may not be moving enough fluid. With that said, remember that brake fluid is virtually non compressible and that all you are doing in effect is moving a solid that can go around corners to push something flexible out. I believe that what you have are two opposing wheel cylinders (Lockheed brakes) in the rear similar to what Chrysler used for many years - and were less then great. If you need 3 oz to move the wheel cyls out and are only moving 2 oz ..... You have said that the replacements are in the $90 range - and that others have cornered the market. If indeed these are opposing wheel cylinders, look at the various, at least through the '50 and possibly further if I recall, choose one that is close in size and give it a try - I use Rock Auto Parts for my search.|
|12-03-2012 05:54 AM|
You need a proportioning valve.....Plus, that 86 MC is made for disk brakes on front.
As for the wheel cylinders, if they are not leaking and they push out the brake shoes, they are good.
|12-03-2012 04:54 AM|
Have any of you guys heard of any problems with honing out wheel cylinders too far other than leaking.
Here is my story, when I purchased the truck it had no brakes, after my upgrade with modern drivetrain I used the 1986 F-250 power brake booster and master cylinder and ran all new lines.
The original wheel cylinders are UN-obtainable except thru a select group of guys that swiped up all of the left over Napa stock, they now want 90 dollars a piece for them which is the same amount Apple hydraulics and some of the others want to rebuild them with S.S. I have 6 of them in the truck and this amounts to alot of money for me.
I removed the originals and honed them out, they were rusty and pitted, when I say honed I mean bore maybe. I sat there with a bucket of water ( or oil, cant remember what I used ) and went thru 3-4 of the small drill driven honing tools you would find at Napa. I sat there for hours, I never did get rid of all of the pitting but they looked alot better.
I was able to purchase new kits to put them back together and did this.
I bled the brakes and never had a leak but also never had much of a pedal, if I pumped it once or twice than all was well but on first stomp of the pedal it usually went nearly to the floor.
I adjusted the brakes time and again according to the procedure given in the service manual.
The original 52 F-7 Ford braking system used a large booster mounted up under the floorboards.
All I did was mount the 86 booster/master cylinder on the firewall and run new lines down to each wheel, no proportioning valve anywhere just straight lines to the cylinder, one T in the front and one T in the rear.
I am fixin to get to the point of doing the brakes again and would prefer again to not spend the 90 dollars to get these correct wheel cylinders but want this to be done with.
I have heard that the F-7s are notorious for being hard to bleed, I bled them and bled them and bled them a few more times, I tried this over and over again.
I have never been able to figure out whey I did not have a pedal. Any input would be appreciated.