Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board - Reply to Topic -- Hot Rod Forum

Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Engine> 351W SBF rookie build
User Name
lost password?   |   register now

Thread: 351W SBF rookie build Reply to Thread
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Please select your insurance company (Optional)


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Topic Review (Newest First)
12-11-2012 04:37 PM
celamb89 THANKS!
12-11-2012 04:35 PM
vinniekq2 use the 195 darts some good compression and a decent roller camm
12-11-2012 04:25 PM
celamb89 Looking for 450HP maybe 500... All the heads listed before are the same price but I want to get the ones that will fit my build or its no difference I'll just look for the best deal I guess..
12-11-2012 04:16 PM
vinniekq2 dar and AFR are both quality products.If you need the money for school then thats your best long term investment.
The smaller heads are plenty,depends on the h p you need?
12-11-2012 11:12 AM
choosing the right heads

Hi everyone,

Im back with my head spinning around choosing the right set of heads for the setup...
The intake manifold is going to be a Ford Racing Dual plane 1500-6500RPM...

Looking around I have it down to 3 options:

Dart 13211112 - Dart SB-Ford Pro 1 Aluminum
  • Intake Ports: 195cc
  • Combustion Chambers: 62cc
  • Valves: 2.02" Int/1.60" Exh
  • Intake Port Location: Stock
  • Intake Port Dimensions: 2.000" x 1.125"
  • Intake Flow: 288 cfm @ .700" lift/28"
  • Exhaust Port Location: Raised .135"
  • Exhaust Port Dimensions: 1.350" x 1.350"
  • Exhaust Flow: 185 cfm @ .700" lift/28"

Dart 13111182 - Dart SB-Ford Pro 1 Aluminum
  • Intake Ports: 170cc
  • Combustion Chambers: 62cc
  • Valves: 1.94" Int/1.60" Exh
  • Intake Port Location: Stock
  • Intake Port Dimensions: 1.980" x 1.100"
  • Intake Flow: 261 cfm @ .600" lift/28"
  • Exhaust Port Location: Raised .135"
  • Exhaust Port Dimensions: 1.330" x 1.340"
  • Exhaust Flow: 172 cfm @ .600" lift/28"

AFR - Airflow Research 1399 - AFR SB-Ford Outlaw Street/Race Aluminum
  • Combustion Chambers: 58cc
  • 165cc Intake Ports
  • Intake Valve, 1.900'' Stud Mount
  • Exhaust Valve, 1.600'' Stud Mount 58cc

What would you recommend? I have doubts regarding the Intake ports (cc), combustion chamber (cc for compression reasons) and quality DART vs AFR ?
11-18-2012 10:00 PM
vinniekq2 when I was figuring my engine( I changed my mind several times) I started pricing parts,then up graded,then decided on a stroker,,,,,etc etc.then I priced out all the suppliers local and mail order. Then I talked to specialty companies. Jeff Lukovic could sell me the parts and do the machine work for me cheaper than I could buy the parts locally.I ended up buying most of my engine parts from him.I ordered the MSD locally and carb (second carb) came from the carb shop,the headers were custom built by Jere Stahls shop,took lots of research,so do not get discouraged,keep in touch here and keep asking questions,,,,because after your project is done you will be helping the next ford guy thats doing what you are doing now
11-18-2012 09:48 PM
celamb89 Ok! thanks vinnie! I was comparing prices between jegs and Summit (pretty much the same), when Im close to ordering I'll try to get a deal, I'll also give dougherbert a call since they handle the parts and I would think are easier to deal with giving they are a smaller company... but whoever gives a better price, shipping charges and customer care will win me over
11-18-2012 09:42 PM
vinniekq2 you have a good start on your wish list. save a few pennies,,, when you are close to buying,contact a couple places before buying and go to an engine builder as they can sometimes give a really good package deal
11-18-2012 09:28 PM

So after some reading and googling around, I put up a wishlist... I dont want my engine to blow for a couple hundred bucks I didnt spend so maybe I'll take the build slow so i can save some money in between... Anyways take a look and give me some feedback please!

Dart SB-Ford Pro 1 Aluminum Cylinder Heads
Scorpion Race Series Rocker Arms
KB Signature Series Hypereutectic
Moly Rings 1/16'', 1/16'', 3/16''
Carburator Edelbrock 750 cfm NON EGR, maunal choke
RPM Air gap manifold
Mehcanical Fuel pump 110GPH
High volume oil pump
High volume mechanical Water pump
Mallory Promaster Series Distributors 8578M
MSD 6A ignition box
MSD blaster 2 coil

Details on the heads>>

Intake Ports: 170cc
Combustion Chambers: 62cc
Valves: 1.94" Int/1.60" Exh
Angle Plug

Block: Iron or aluminum Ford
Valvetrain: Roller rockers 3/8" or 7/16" stud mount
Intake Port Location: Stock
Intake Port Dimensions: 1.980" x 1.100"
Intake Flow: 261 cfm @ .600" lift/28"
Intake Gasket: #375-1262
Exhaust Port Location: Raised .135"
Exhaust Port Dimensions: 1.330" x 1.340"
Exhaust Flow: 172 cfm @ .600" lift/28"
Exhaust Gasket: #375-1487
Manifold: Most with standard port location
Pushrod Length: Please measure
Pushrod Guide Plate: #249-4816-8 (flat)
Retainers: Steel
Stud Girdle: Any standard girdle
Valve Length: 4.890"
Valve Stem Diameter: .3415", 11/32"
Valve Guides: 1/2" OD Mag-Bronze (.002" press)
Valve Guide Length: 2.250"
Valve Guide Clearance: .0014" to .002" (using Dart .3415" valve stem)
Valve Guide Spacing: Moved .050" from stock
Valve Seats: Hardened Ductile Iron, .006" press
Valve Seat Dimensions: Intake 2.160" x 1.750" x .350", Exhaust 1.650" x 1.350" x .350"
Valve Seat Angles: Intake 32, 45, 60, 70; Exhaust 37, 45, radius

What do u guys think??
[[Meanwhile in my wallet>>]]
11-18-2012 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by vinniekq2 View Post
maybe buy cheaper castings and install premium valves and use the springs from the cam company
Thanks Vinnie, I think that's the answer. It seems that the problems with those offshore heads that Skip White sells were layin' down because of inferior parts used to assemble them, not necessarily in the casting itself.
11-18-2012 01:56 PM
mustang 671 your welcome.

i have the alu edelbrock victor junior heads with 2x valve springs and triple angled valve seats. think they are a affordable head i feel . work well for me .

Edelbrock Victor Jr. Cylinder Heads 77189 -
11-16-2012 04:42 PM
vinniekq2 I use dart heads,never bother with skip white when I heard all the complaints.Sometimes cheap parts are ok...Ive used edlebrock heads on budget engines and dart cast iron heads. maybe buy cheaper castings and install premium valves and use the springs from the cam company
11-16-2012 04:11 PM
celamb89 Both skip white and dougherbert heads have the and flow required for the .605 lift...

I'm leaning towards the dh but googling around its seems skipw aren't so bad also... They aren't afr or top quality but i believe they will surpass original cast ported heads.

Which would y'all recommend?
11-16-2012 03:59 PM
vinniekq2 make sure you want to go the big cam route? Then look at the 600 lift cam and find heads that flow the numbers you need to make the horse power you want.Choose parts from there.That cam will make this engine a high rpm performer
11-16-2012 01:22 PM
Cylinder heads

Looking at the cam and money that would be spent on porting heads and new valvetrain Im considering a pair or aluminum cylinder heads... I know I dont have the cash for AFR or trick flow but what affordable make would you recommend??

Im looking at:

Dougherbert cylinder heads
Skip white cylinder heads

They would be assembled for the solid roller .605 lift

Any other budget friendly recommendations? or feedback on these?
This thread has more than 15 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:10 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.