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12-17-2012 10:13 AM
mh1984 I will not put a moving part on any of my vehicles that doesnt have a grease fitting. If you can keep grease in the joints they will last and you wont have to replace them. Vehicles aee built these days as a throw away vehicle after 10 years cause usualy in that time framw they get trases in on another pile of plastic parts or get wreaked and totaled out. Vehicles being built now are actualy safer that I agree with. Howwver it doesnt take much to total one out cause of the crumple zones. Im one of the younger generation and do like the looks of some of the newer vehicles but I enjoy my 94 c1500 regular cab step side.
12-17-2012 06:09 AM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by belchfire View Post
Expanding on 623 mantis' reply, I've noticed that cars are designed to be assembled, not repaired. I had to pull the entire sub-frame off a camry to change a clutch because some idiot didn't design an extra 2" clearance between the trans & body. My friends agree with me that engineers should be required to spend 3-5 years as mechanics first, then ,I bet, a lot of things would be better designed.
The beginning of the end was way back when they started manufacturing cars w/o zirk fittings in the tie rod ends, etc.

Yes- clean all grease first, then repack bearings. One of the handiest tools I own is a bearing 'packer'. It gets 99%, I go through afterwards and work in a little more "just because" and to make double sure there's no air pockets. Don't reuse seals.
12-16-2012 11:06 PM
mh1984 When I work on my vehicles front ends and removing a rotor is nessesary i always clean the bearigs of old grease with gas diesel or varsol and dry them with air. Sometimes for fun I would let them spin into hyperspace lol. I check for heat marks and cracked cages and races. If its still good ill repack them and put them back in. Ive never had any problems.
12-16-2012 09:57 PM
66GMC
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Originally Posted by gearheadslife View Post
um, nope, rotors are not cheaper.. when your a customer thats paying someone to do the brakes.. they pay list price+mark up..
Thanks to "global sourcing" you can buy some very inexpensive brake rotors, but the question remains ... "should you"?

Another thing that we have "global sourcing" and Automakers manufacurers to thank for:

Prior to around 2000, companies like Wagner and Raybestos used to produce and stock drums and shoes for vehicles that were 60 years old. Part of the reason, IMO, is that there were FAR less number of SKU's, as drums and rotors were both carried over from year-to-year ... even decades in some instances.

Now (let's use a 2007 Dodge Charger or even a late-model domestic pickup truck for example) there are multiple possibilities within one model year!

The automakers keep changing the specs and therefore the number of SKU's, possibly in an attempt to keep one step ahead of the offshore imitators.

It's this rapid increase in the number of SKU's AND the erosion of sales and profitability that is driving this early obsolescence. Trust me ... having inventory on the shelves just to serve the "bread and butter" market is awfully expensive, even at the parts store level.

Then there is the "good, better, best" philosophy where the consumer expects to have choices. Guys with $80,000.00 Cowboy Cadillacs that want to install $35.00 rotors???

We won't even stock a cheap rotor or pads for anything bigger than a 1/2-ton or anything with a diesel engine.

Honestly ... I had a guy come in with a 3-year old (2010) Dodge R3500 6.7 Diesel with a back-hoe on a trailer ... and he was chapped because the CHEAPEST pads that we had in stock were $120.00.

Sorry pal, the cheapie-china orgasmics aren't going to slow you down with that kind of weight, and I'm doing you a favor by refusing to sell them!
12-15-2012 10:22 PM
gearheadslife
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Originally Posted by 632Mantis View Post
You are exactly right.
New cars are not designed to be repaired.

I am suprised about the Camry issue. Toyota is usually better than that with their stuff.
I seen many newer vehicles with very hard to access OIL FILTERS.
Seriously? The oil filter is something that gets changed frequently. Yet, they bury that sucker. Some even require special tools.

It's all in the name of greed. Car companies really don't want the owner doing ANY work on it themselves.
haha, try to do a filter and fluid change on some trans axles, to get to the filter you have to split the case..(open the trans up)

I don't think it so much as greed,
it's more, I'm warranty'n this for 100k/5-10 years, I don't want any smucks hands on it.. and I can't say I blame them.. there are some great shops, and there are some "winnars"
12-15-2012 08:00 PM
632Mantis
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Originally Posted by belchfire View Post
Expanding on 632 mantis' reply, I've noticed that cars are designed to be assembled, not repaired. I had to pull the entire sub-frame off a camry to change a clutch because some idiot didn't design an extra 2" clearance between the trans & body.
You are exactly right.
New cars are not designed to be repaired.

I am suprised about the Camry issue. Toyota is usually better than that with their stuff.
I seen many newer vehicles with very hard to access OIL FILTERS.
Seriously? The oil filter is something that gets changed frequently. Yet, they bury that sucker. Some even require special tools.

It's all in the name of greed. Car companies really don't want the owner doing ANY work on it themselves.
12-15-2012 02:19 PM
grandpa01 I was told by a Ford dealer that they reused whell brg grease. He told me that rather than admit that he lied on the waranty claim that they replaced brgs on both sides
12-15-2012 01:31 PM
NEW INTERIORS I was taught the same way.. I also pack them the old way too..By hand..
12-15-2012 01:20 PM
belchfire
crap nowadays

Expanding on 623 mantis' reply, I've noticed that cars are designed to be assembled, not repaired. I had to pull the entire sub-frame off a camry to change a clutch because some idiot didn't design an extra 2" clearance between the trans & body. My friends agree with me that engineers should be required to spend 3-5 years as mechanics first, then ,I bet, a lot of things would be better designed.
12-12-2012 09:40 PM
chevynut Thanks for the replys. I am glad that other people were taught the way I was. I too think that it is greed.
12-12-2012 08:08 PM
632Mantis
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Originally Posted by gearheadslife View Post
and because you have a service writers whose job is more cars in per hour, you CAN'T DO IT RIGHT.

Do it correctly, you're replaced because your not producing.
Pull short cuts 1 out of 100 might come back.. so like try'n to fight city hall, you do the job to produce and keep your job.
Why you think rotors get replaced and not turned anymore..?
time..
You hit the nail on the head. It's just plain old GREED.
Shop owners/dealerships/companies just want more more more.
They don't want to pay their employees, they don't want to provide ANY benefits, but they want a specific volume of business done everyday.

Too many shops today cut corners and outright CHEAT the customers.
They sell work that is not necessary, and I even know about some local shops around here that remove a part, clean it, paint it black with a spray can, put it back on, and charge the customer for a new one.

It's a greedy cutthroat business. It's become a thankless business.
I was a professional mechanic for 25 years. I walked away from it because I can't accept what it has become.
We are no longer rewarded for taking pride in our work.
We are just constantly chastised because we cannot crank enough work out to meet the ridiculous goals of greedy a$$holes.
A waiter in a crappy restaraunt gets a tip once in awhile from a customer.
Nobody ever tips their mechanic.

Engineers are designing junk, because they know they won't ever have to work on any of it.
( It's okay, the overworked underpaid mechanics can deal with it. )

12-12-2012 07:47 PM
gearheadslife
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Originally Posted by S10 Racer View Post
Most new rotors cost less than the labor to turn the old ones so why not replace it, no rocket science there.

um, nope, rotors are not cheaper.. when your a customer thats paying someone to do the brakes.. they pay list price+mark up..
12-12-2012 05:03 PM
S10 Racer Most new rotors cost less than the labor to turn the old ones so why not replace it, no rocket science there.
12-12-2012 09:31 AM
gearheadslife
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Originally Posted by S10 Racer View Post
My take on this is that when you buy new bearings, they are not covered with grease. You would'nt rebuild an engine or transmission without cleaning it before assembly (I never have anyways). Parts have to be clean. Just wiping the grease off will not remove the small metal particles that all moving parts aquire after a while. If these particles are not removed, it's a waste of time repacking them in my opinion. It would kind of be like changing the oil and not the filter.
well, see here is the problem..
todays flatrate shops pay the same time to do todays cars, that if you haven't noticed, don't have servicable bearing.. so the "tme alloted" isn't enough time to even open it up and clean or heaven forbid, turn the rotors .. and because you have a service writers that job is more cars in per hour, you CAN'T DO IT RIGHT

do it correctly, you're replaced because your not producing
pull short cuts 1 out of 100 might come back.. so like try'n to fight city hall, you do the job to produce and keep your job..

why you think rotors get replaced and not turned anymore..?
time..
12-12-2012 08:06 AM
oldBodyman Come-backs cost 3X, bearings, races and seals are dirt cheap, just replace them. Yes, you do clean and inspect NEW parts.
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