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01-02-2013 09:29 PM
68NovaSS
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Originally Posted by The Camaro Kid View Post
Yeah, sure. Just another newb that doesn't know any better. I get it, you guys eat up the attitude. To each his own.
You've been a member here for what...7 days and throw this attitude toward long term knowledgeable members? It won't be tolerated, that's strike one and two.
12-30-2012 01:04 AM
1Gary
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Originally Posted by Camaro_Nut2001 View Post
I can say the same about FBird and Vinny and even though Tech and I have never exchanged PM's, I sure value his knowledge.
Well two out of three ant bad.LOL.I'll have to learn from Richard and pick my spots.Hey-how ya get on that list??.Well I'll work on that one,one post at a time.Still being the newbie aleast on here.

Looking forward to you posting a thread about the progress on your project.
12-29-2012 09:07 PM
The Camaro Kid Yeah, sure. Just another newb that doesn't know any better. I get it, you guys eat up the attitude. To each his own.





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Originally Posted by thinwhiteduke View Post
Kid, you are clearly ignorant, F-BIRD'88 is a wealth of knowledge here.
You should take some time and refer back to some of his numerous posts and you will realise that his opinions are matter of fact and that advice that he generously offers to people here is good advice that actually facking works!
He has helped me and others tremendously.
This thread has gotten way of track and I hope the OP has gotten the information that he sought and some giggles along the way!

Duke
12-29-2012 08:40 PM
thinwhiteduke Yeah, giggles is prolly the wrong word to use. It just amuses me how these threads sometimes go of on tangents.
I glad you got the info that you were looking for and wish you the best with your build.

Duke
12-29-2012 08:16 PM
Camaro_Nut2001
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Originally Posted by thinwhiteduke View Post
Kid, you are clearly ignorant, F-BIRD'88 is a wealth of knowledge here.
You should take some time and refer back to some of his numerous posts and you will realise that his opinions are matter of fact and that advice that he generously offers to people here is good advice that actually facking works!
He has helped me and others tremendously.
This thread has gotten way of track and I hope the OP has gotten the information that he sought and some giggles along the way!

Duke
You are very right on FBird and the point of this thread. I have definately got my answer and know what head i'm going with and very thankful for all the help. I didn't get any giggles from a few of the posts on here, got somewhat offended but I try to keep that to myself. I dont like drama and I really dont like young fellers that disrespect others.
12-29-2012 08:02 PM
Camaro_Nut2001
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Originally Posted by bygddy View Post
And that wasn't a slight on anyone else's opinions, or offer to help....to be clear....there's many many talented, knowledgeable guys on here....I mentioned the 3 that have helped me tremendously, and clearly know their sht, and have had to listen to "I need help" pm's from me and have taken the time to do so....
Dave
I can say the same about FBird and Vinny and even though Tech and I have never exchanged PM's, I sure value his knowledge.
12-29-2012 05:00 PM
thinwhiteduke Kid, you are clearly ignorant, F-BIRD'88 is a wealth of knowledge here.
You should take some time and refer back to some of his numerous posts and you will realise that his opinions are matter of fact and that advice that he generously offers to people here is good advice that actually facking works!
He has helped me and others tremendously.
This thread has gotten way of track and I hope the OP has gotten the information that he sought and some giggles along the way!

Duke
12-29-2012 04:06 PM
The Camaro Kid No, the difference between you and I is I'm smart enough not to waste my time trying to turn boat anchors into gold.

Yeah, just as I thought. No qualifications or certs to back up what you say? Did you even graduate from high school or have you spent your entire life on here accumulating 7300 posts on here acting like you invented the internal combustion engine? I hear there's an ignore list. You're on it for sure and I hope others put you on theirs. You just give plain old bad advice with an attitude.
12-29-2012 01:43 PM
The Camaro Kid No, 1Gary, that was not directed at you. And no, bygddy, it wasn't directed at you, even though for some reason you felt you had to reply after I said that the things you enjoyed with your boy while porting the heads justified it, but if you want' to continue to make a pissing match about it, by all means have at it.

It was directed to F-Bird88. I'd like to see the qualifications that he feels entitles him to talk down to people and say that his builds are the gospel. From what I've seen, he's no more qualified than anybody else. He just posts the most and the "loudest".
12-29-2012 10:18 AM
1Gary Yeah but NASCAR has always had odd ball combo's.I bought at the Indy Drag Racers auction a NASCAR 4.3 and had contact with them until it was done.It is the reason why the teams start with rough forgings or a blank slate. We had been going to that auction for yrs and there was time when Indy cylinder heads ran the event.We got to know them and saw some of their exotic workmanship.Just works of art.
12-29-2012 09:41 AM
gearheadslife
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Originally Posted by 1Gary View Post
Those numbers where later published in Engine Builder Mag.So I am confident they are reliable.
and might be why they almost went bye bye in the 90's


I can tell you this, not one port on any nascar 357 is the same and there is a purpose for it..
a cnc'd head with mirrored ports will slow the cars.. with a single plane intake.. let them run 8 throttle bodys over each cyl. then mirrored would win out.. not untill
12-29-2012 09:03 AM
1Gary
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Originally Posted by hcompton View Post
25% is clearly a number you just pulled out of the air. They are usally within 10% from the factory. A good port guy been doing it for years and smoke any cnc ported heads. You think indy and nascar use cnc only. They cnc bare castings and then start the close in work the cnc cant reach or cut properly. Every mm of the ports from carb to headers will be hand worked in nascar or indy engine. And in most fast race cars of all types.

I have done a lot of four valve and five valve heads in my day and i used to charge a crap load of money for it. To guys that had flow benches trust me 5% difference in ports would result in never hearing from that customer again cause his heads would perform less than stock heads.

Stock chevy and ford castings are so bad its easy to pick up a few hp. But i dont recommend you do it at home first time on your only working set of heads. Either do it rigth with a stack of practise heads and get the proper tools or get better heads. Knocking down ford exhuast bumps or other large casting marks is easy but most people go way to far and loose sight of the job before the first port is complete.

Its not hard to do a good port job at home but it does take some practise. And lots more practise and sometimes even a really bad port job will make some good power.
Those numbers where later published in Engine Builder Mag.So I am confident they are reliable.
12-29-2012 08:58 AM
bygddy And that wasn't a slight on anyone else's opinions, or offer to help....to be clear....there's many many talented, knowledgeable guys on here....I mentioned the 3 that have helped me tremendously, and clearly know their sht, and have had to listen to "I need help" pm's from me and have taken the time to do so....
Dave
12-29-2012 08:54 AM
bygddy
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Originally Posted by The Camaro Kid View Post
Really? Why don't you list off your qualifications to come on here and preach the way you do? All I can tell from your posts is you're just a loud mouth with an opinion. List your certifications if you have any. Anybody else on here that is actually involved in engines for their living lists that info. You sure don't. You just shoot your mouth off and then get all indignant when somebody questions what you recommend. The only guys that you seem to hook are the newbies. Why is that, I wonder? Probably because the rest of us that have been around a while know bs when we see it. You're nothing on here but just another internet ghost with an opinion. Pity that most of your opinions are full of it and then you couple it with your condescending attitude.

Anybody that recommends porting 305 heads to put on a 350 is either delusional or on drugs. Not worth the time or the trouble. The fact that you do says all there is to know about your "skills".
As this was directed at fbird, and likely me as well,
Qualifications? None.....
I grew up in a "car" family
I'm not afraid to listen, to ALL opinions.
I will then form my own, and if I feel the info has merit I will gladly try it.
I have done a few total rebuilds with friends and lots of help
I have rebuilt two of my own with friends and lots of help
I have done a simple top end rebuild, cam, heads etc,on many of my own
I have spent 40+ hours porting those ridiculous heads you seem so offended by
I have had 5 cars in the last 3 years, all of them changed, rebuilt, finished, by me
Al of them worked well, are still working well and are being enjoyed often.
All of my stuff has done exactly what was intended. Be better, faster, and more fun then when I got it.
You need to learn to listen....its not always about what a piece of paper says, and your formulating an opinion with what? Four posts and a month on here?
The three best assets I have actually learned form have been FBird, Vinnie,and Tech Inspecter, they all have a different view, they don't always get along, and may even come across brash or rude at times....its the interweb kid, deal with it. But pay attention, any of them will help and teach you plenty if you stop getting sand in your vgina and actually listen.
12-29-2012 08:48 AM
hcompton
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Originally Posted by 1Gary View Post
I'm going to tell you what RHS told me behind closed doors yrs ago.That they invested huge into a CNC machine and hrs apond hrs of R & D to develop their own program. The thing is even after all the yrs they have been porting heads and with their most experienced porters,port to port matching was only within 25%. The labor hrs for that was out the door costs.More or less out of control and nonprofitable.That with their 5 axis CNC porting port to port matching was now within 5% and they could complete a set of heads start to finish in 8hrs.

It isn't the finish of a port that is most important nor the "rated intake runner size". In fact to smooth port true Vortec heads is counter productive. The rough surface is apart of what makes them Vortecs.What is most important is the cross section of the port and it's shape.

So what's my point about hand porting??. Well if you get a port to run port to port 25%,you just got very lucky because you just achieved the skill level of RHS's best hand porters.Do I suggest you run out and buy a CNC $250,000 machine??. Nope. Do I suggest you do a search on how to build a home use flow bench??. You bet I do. Flying blind is a bad end result. I am trying to make you aware of RHS's research and what you can expect with hand home porting.

Now 305 on 350's??. Increased SCR with under the best circumstances don't flow enough to make them worthwhile. Just the plain simple truth.
25% is clearly a number you just pulled out of the air. They are usally within 10% from the factory. A good port guy been doing it for years and smoke any cnc ported heads. You think indy and nascar use cnc only. They cnc bare castings and then start the close in work the cnc cant reach or cut properly. Every mm of the ports from carb to headers will be hand worked in nascar or indy engine. And in most fast race cars of all types.

I have done a lot of four valve and five valve heads in my day and i used to charge a crap load of money for it. To guys that had flow benches trust me 5% difference in ports would result in never hearing from that customer again cause his heads would perform less than stock heads.

Stock chevy and ford castings are so bad its easy to pick up a few hp. But i dont recommend you do it at home first time on your only working set of heads. Either do it rigth with a stack of practise heads and get the proper tools or get better heads. Knocking down ford exhuast bumps or other large casting marks is easy but most people go way to far and loose sight of the job before the first port is complete.

Its not hard to do a good port job at home but it does take some practise. And lots more practise and sometimes even a really bad port job will make some good power.
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