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01-13-2013 10:19 PM
Project89 omg i cant wait for warm weather , i installed the brand new battery out of my camaro in the dodge for now and had instaleld an oil pan heater , car will not start again the fuel is freezing right up in the fuel rail and injectors.

need to figur out how to stop that short of using the hair dryer blowing on the rails/injectors im out of ideas

its so damn cold today that the hair dryer pointed directly at the rails didnt help
01-10-2013 03:19 PM
Project89
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Originally Posted by 302 Z28 View Post
May have been mentioned before but some cars are equipped with low oil pressure cutoff that interrupts the ignition circuit if oil pressure falls below a certain level. The vehicle control module bypasses this in the start mode but only for a very short period. If when trying to start the oil pressure does not come up to a predetermined level the ignition circuit is interrupted. I think the suggestion for a crankcase heater is right on.

Vince

yeah this car doesnt have one , iuts actually been starting up great till th ebattery crapped out on me , funny thing is after i posted that it hasent done it again .

im still rpelacing it though its a standard interstate battery thats about 2-2.5 years old , ive never had good luck with a single standard car battery in a car with a high output alt and stereo system in the car so i may switch to a dual batt setup when i replace the battery this weekend
01-10-2013 09:41 AM
302 Z28 May have been mentioned before but some cars are equipped with low oil pressure cutoff that interrupts the ignition circuit if oil pressure falls below a certain level. The vehicle control module bypasses this in the start mode but only for a very short period. If when trying to start the oil pressure does not come up to a predetermined level the ignition circuit is interrupted. I think the suggestion for a crankcase heater is right on.

Vince
01-09-2013 07:15 PM
Project89 lol well so today my battery finally craps out on me, car started once drove to work car ran for an hour shut it off. go inside and come out 20 minutes later to move my car away from the roofline since the ice and snow was starting to melt and fall off the roof .

car turned over once and died grrrrrr, luckily i had my battery charge rin the trunck so i charged the batt for 3 hours car started right up , unhooked the charger and let the car idle for 2 hours and shut it off , hour later battery was stone dead

anyways who makes good batteries anymore, i did want to buy an optimia battery but i keep hearing they have issues now.

i do have a modest isized stero system in the car one 600 watt 4 channel amp
and one 2 channel 2,000 watt amp in the car along with a singal procesor and active crossover

alt was wound to put out 150 amps

what do u guys recomend for a good battery these days im in an area were temps can get down to -20*F or so at night , daytime is around 20's-mid 40's this time of year
01-04-2013 07:16 PM
Project89
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Originally Posted by LATECH View Post
Fuel vaporizes better in warmer air, like heated intake air.
Early 80s GM cars had a grid under the carb to redue emissions on start up and cold start easability.
Also new cummins diesels have a 1000 watt intake air heaters in them to help cold starts.

Fact truly is stranger than fiction.
Glad it worked.
yeah i didnt do exactly what u said i stuck it under the plenum directly blowing on the fuel rails and injectors as i had a funny feeling the fuel was frozen inside the rail. when it started it was only running on 4/5 cyls once the engine temp started comming up it just sudden started to run right.

took it over to the gas station and filled the tank and threw another bottle of heet in it and let it run for another hour before shutting it off.

hopefully tommorow morning it will start right back up its going to be below 0 tongiht again


im deff picking up one of those circulating water heaters too i stopped by napa and they want 120 bucks for that 1000w one when i can get it under 50 bucks on amazon
01-04-2013 05:56 PM
LATECH Fuel vaporizes better in warmer air, like heated intake air.
Early 80s GM cars had a grid under the carb to redue emissions on start up and cold start easability.
Also new cummins diesels have a 1000 watt intake air heaters in them to help cold starts.

Fact truly is stranger than fiction.
Glad it worked.
01-04-2013 03:45 PM
Project89
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Originally Posted by LATECH View Post
Stick a hair dryer in the air cleaner air intake, then crank it over. Just a wild and crazy thought.
i loled a lil when u posted this but out of any further ideas today , i stole my gf's hair dryer and stuck it in the intake manifold pointed at the fuel rails, after 30 minutes the car finally started


thank u for the off the wall idea that actually worked
01-04-2013 09:17 AM
RWENUTS And then after charging your battery, installing a block heater of some kind, freezing your fingers and your ears, trying to get that pos started for days on end you finally figure out.
You are indeed OUTTA GAS!!!
The gauge is screwed.
Been there, done that. And not at 10 below. Closer to -40.
01-04-2013 06:38 AM
unclebill
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Originally Posted by Project89 View Post
does that just install into the lower radiator hose? they actually sell those at my local napa
those things work great and easy to install.
01-04-2013 01:23 AM
Project89 nm i see they have 5/8's hose connections gota go in the heater core hose then , ill have to see if i can fit one of those seems liek it would work better then an oil pan heater
01-04-2013 01:06 AM
Project89
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Originally Posted by dinger View Post
I lived right outside of Duluth, MN. my first 25 years of life. 40 below was typical many winter nights. this is what I used: Kat's 13100 1000 Watt Aluminum Circulating Tank Heater : Amazon.com : Automotive

I would plug it into the outdoor light, hit the switch an hour before I was ready to leave, the car was toasty warm when I started it. I would also say replace the battery, it just IMO not going to last. Lighter oil is a must. Just don't forget to unplug before you leave. I only did that once...
does that just install into the lower radiator hose? they actually sell those at my local napa
01-04-2013 12:54 AM
dinger I lived right outside of Duluth, MN. my first 25 years of life. 40 below was typical many winter nights. this is what I used:
Kat's 13100 1000 Watt Aluminum Circulating Tank Heater : Amazon.com : Automotive Kat's 13100 1000 Watt Aluminum Circulating Tank Heater : Amazon.com : Automotive

I would plug it into the outdoor light, hit the switch an hour before I was ready to leave, the car was toasty warm when I started it. I would also say replace the battery, it just IMO not going to last. Lighter oil is a must. Just don't forget to unplug before you leave. I only did that once...
01-03-2013 10:11 PM
69 widetrack There wouldn't be any problem leaving the battery on a 2 amp charge over night...The ideal would be to bring the battery in over night but cats may not have any tongues or fur in the morning if the're prone to liking batteries and chargers...Yes by all means get more fuel in the tank when you get it going.

Bobcameron@AOL.com...I know what you mean about cold...When I lived in northern Saskatchewan the truck of choice out there always was the Chevy 1/2 ton...I kid you not, I used to stock 25 to 30 extra door handles come November, December...it got so cold sometimes that the pot metal handle would break of in the customers hand....if you eve replaced a 88 and up Chevy door handle, they can be a beach...I got pretty good at it. And plastic bumpers, at minus forty, look at them sideways and they'd shatter. Also remember the a few guys that would bring their ice cold cars into my shop and from -40 to +75 in 0 seconds flat, replaced a few side glass, door glass and even windshields if they had a minor chip or hair line crack...they would shatter...did I mention I hate cold weather. LOL

Good luck my friend
Ray
01-03-2013 09:53 PM
BOBCRMAN@aol.com Ain't cold weather great?

I grew up in the sixties, in northwest Michigan. With snow "a-hole deep to a ten foot indian", as my dad used to say.
Many times it would get down to the minus figures for days at a time. I had a 6-volt Volkswagen beetle as a beater. Change the oil to ten weight in november and on really cold nights, keep the battery in the barn with the cows.. Then, in the morning, run it down the steep 180 ft. driveway while cranking the starter, in second gear.. Usually started when the other stuff wouldn't. But no heat till you drove it ten miles.. Those were the days!!!
01-03-2013 07:56 PM
Project89
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Originally Posted by 69 widetrack View Post
If it doesn't start after your 1 to 2 hour charge, do bring the battery in over night or at least leave the charger on overnight, timothale is correct, a battery can freeze quickly when not charged. If you do get it running, let it run for quite some time, not just to get the car good and warm but to put a good charge in the battery...may not be a bad idea to put some gas line antifreeze in it. I don't know how full your tank is but in this cold weather if it's below 1/4 tank that's when gas lines freeze up. Water is lighter than gasoline and has a tendency to hang around the top of the tank, when your tank gets low, your sucking more moisture into your engine and can freeze up easier.

Ray
im just a touch below a 1/4 tank, had a late night at work the other night ( didnt get home till 3am) so i didnt stop to put gas in the car.

i already added one full bottle of heet gasline antifreeze to it today, first thing i was going to do if i got it running was drive it over to the gas station and fill it up

leaving the battery on the charger outside in the car overnight ok? i have a few curious pet cats who would be all over the charger and battery if i brought it inside over night so if i dont have to id much rather leave it outside on 2 amp charge overnight
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