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01-12-2013 11:46 PM
1Gary
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Originally Posted by cobalt327 View Post
Who is "us"?
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01-12-2013 05:26 PM
cobalt327 Who is "us"?
01-12-2013 08:06 AM
1Gary Thanksgiving wkend.Drag Racers auction in Indy.Guys used to come up there all the time from ATL,Ga.That's where it all started for us yrs ago.The return on your investments there will pay dividends.
01-12-2013 06:40 AM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by 1Gary View Post
We have networked manufacture direct purchases for yrs.Well really we have met many face on face and created those contacts.We aren't anyone special,so if your willing to do some leg work,you would be amazed at what you can get done.
Don't know who "we" is, but I'm guessing you're referring to a commercial operation of some sort. If that's the case, that's a whole lot different from an average Joe. A commercial concern has the potential to the manufacturer/importer to do repeat business- something an AJ is not going to do. And there's a trust between most manufacturers and their clients- and that is to not undersell their clients by selling direct.

From a practical standpoint, the average Joe looking to build a 383 is not going to beat the prices of a large quantity vendor. Do you think AJ is going to meet people like Vic, or the main burner who imports Scat/Eagle/Procomp? Or will he meet those who manufacturer cams like at Isky/Comp/Crane/Lunati? Not to mention the other components that goes into a build like the rings, fasteners, timing set, ignitions, etc? Even doing this on the phone is going to be a fool's errand IMO. You aren't going to get high enough up the corporate ladder to talk to someone (and then convince them) to give a price break to an individual.

Bottom line for me: The importers/manufacturers are not going to bend over backwards and give AJ a killer deal. The BEST AJ will get is a catalog, and if he's REAL lucky a comped T shirt and decal. And a list of venders they supply.
01-12-2013 04:55 AM
1Gary
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Originally Posted by JeffB View Post
Skip White is a member here instead of putting the "bad mouth" on His product send him a pm and ask him straight up,many of the engine parts they sell are not out of the package they do upgrades in their own machine shop to the parts they sell.
Up grades??. That is kind of vague.

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Obviously anyone can make a shopping list and compare the costs between a kit and the individual parts to see if and how much is being saved. And I believe most will do just that before buying.

The potential advantage of buying a 'kit' as opposed to sourcing the parts individually is due to the economies of scale.

If you buy parts individually from vendors, you're still paying a middle man. Plus you're paying shipping/handling on every item that comes from a different vender or manufacturer.

Many if not all manufacturers do not offer price breaks to individual buyers. They instead offer the price breaks to vendors who buy in quantity.

A vendor who buys a large quantity will then have an advantage over his competitors regarding pricing.

Buying parts in kit form from a reputable vendor takes the guesswork out parts compatibility as long as there is good communication between the parties.

If building a no holds barred, spare no expense engine this probably wouldn't be the way to go, although there are some good packages offered by Mitchell, Shafiroff, Kasse and others.
We have networked manufacture direct purchases for yrs.Well really we have met many face on face and created those contacts.We aren't anyone special,so if your willing to do some leg work,you would be amazed at what you can get done.
01-12-2013 02:49 AM
cobalt327
Economies of scale

Obviously anyone can make a shopping list and compare the costs between a kit and the individual parts to see if and how much is being saved. And I believe most will do just that before buying.

The potential advantage of buying a 'kit' as opposed to sourcing the parts individually is due to the economies of scale.

If you buy parts individually from vendors, you're still paying a middle man. Plus you're paying shipping/handling on every item that comes from a different vender or manufacturer.

Many if not all manufacturers do not offer price breaks to individual buyers. They instead offer the price breaks to vendors who buy in quantity.

A vendor who buys a large quantity will then have an advantage over his competitors regarding pricing.

Buying parts in kit form from a reputable vendor takes the guesswork out parts compatibility as long as there is good communication between the parties.

If building a no holds barred, spare no expense engine this probably wouldn't be the way to go, although there are some good packages offered by Mitchell, Shafiroff, Kasse and others.
01-12-2013 12:09 AM
JeffB Skip White is a member here instead of putting the "bad mouth" on His product send him a pm and ask him straight up,many of the engine parts they sell are not out of the package they do upgrades in their own machine shop to the parts they sell.
01-11-2013 11:54 PM
suspect I ordered that kit your looking at, plus I got the block also. 4 bolt main 1 piece rmc. I assembled it about 3 weeks ago. The bores, mains, rods, pistons, everything mic'd perfect. Block clearancing, excellent.

The H-beam rods are Pro Comp. I spent about a week or so researching these rods before I ordered. I read tons of bad reviews on them by people that haven't actually ran them. Only hearsay. Now, I'm sure there are some real failures, I just didn't run onto them.
I found a few that have ran them and they were pleased. I figure for an engine that will probably never see about 5500 rpm, they should work out fine for me. They come with 8640 manley bolts.
01-11-2013 02:01 PM
1Gary Hell I can sell you a bill of goods right out of a catalog never owning one bit of it and pocket the profits over what it costs me.QUESTION??. WHY would you want to pay a middle man,when you can do that for your self.If it sounds too good to be true,then it is.................
01-11-2013 01:56 PM
1Gary 90% of guys are buying pre-packaged deals and have no clue they must have weak links included in them in order to get to the price they are being offered at.And having no clue is what has damaged this sport.And what I am talking about is not the better examples of proven pre-packaged deals.
01-11-2013 11:13 AM
spinn Skip had a hei unit reasonably priced. No expirience with his other stuff.

Most hobbists benefit from the pre packaged engine combinations, like edelbrock or trick flow. They work awesome too, and they are more than happy to stand behind their product.

The problem with this hobby is you do NOT always get what you pay for. Machine shops are bad, body shops are worse.

A number of local guys use summitracing heads and love them.
01-11-2013 11:09 AM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by 1981zapper View Post
Has anyone on here ever bought a 383 rotating assembly from skipwhite,
SBC Chevy Scat 383 Rotating Assembly Forged 030 Pistons H Beam Rods Dish 2pc | eBay

I'm looking at building a 383

Kit includes:
Probe forged pistons
Scat 9000 Cast Crank
Forged 4340 H-beam Rods
Hasting Rings
King Main & rod Bearings
Powerforce Balancer
SFI Flex Plate

It does not say anywhere in his ad that they are Scat H-Beam Rods
The weak link here is the unknown rods. The other parts are adequate.

Research who makes the rods, see what you can do for an upgrade if they're not good enough for your needs.
01-11-2013 10:35 AM
1Gary WHY do people have to go to a "Skip White" for a combo they if they spent the time to research the parts themselves could put together a combo of their own. AND more than likely a better one.Gezzzz,apart of hot rodding is learning this stuff,not como's by posting on forums and decisions make by juries.

Bottom line,want my opinion??. You get exactly what you pay for. No deals out there. And for you to learn about the parts is key.....................
01-10-2013 11:43 PM
techinspector1
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Originally Posted by 1981zapper View Post
Just a street car no real goal, just want to build something with torque
So, what's the flap over H-beam or I-beam rods?
01-10-2013 10:27 PM
bygddy
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Originally Posted by 1981zapper View Post
Has anyone on here ever bought a 383 rotating assembly from skipwhite,
SBC Chevy Scat 383 Rotating Assembly Forged 030 Pistons H Beam Rods Dish 2pc | eBay

I'm looking at building a 383

Kit includes:
Probe forged pistons
Scat 9000 Cast Crank
Forged 4340 H-beam Rods
Hasting Rings
King Main & rod Bearings
Powerforce Balancer
SFI Flex Plate

It does not say anywhere in his ad that they are Scat H-Beam Rods
I'm pretty sure the rods are procomp.....
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