|07-02-2014 06:01 PM|
and this has ow answered what I was trying to figure out for making my first set of door panels.
this door panel project has now officially escalated past the price of reproductions, but im still going forward regardless. im enjoying learning and trying something new.
thanks for this informative thread, guys.
|04-25-2014 09:21 PM|
The best alternative in Canada is Helmetin Helmiprene 4510, which is made in Canada. Contact Cements & Solvents - Helmitin
K-Grip 202 is different than K-Grip 202 Plus. 202 plus is the same as K-Grip 203 except 202 Plus is rated at 215 degrees.
I just bought 5 gallons of DAP last week, and had no problem getting it. There are a few states like California and New Jersey that won't allow it shipped in, but most states do.
I have tried a water soluable contact adhesive called Simalfa, and it works on foam to foam and Dacron to foam applications, along with fabric to sew foam applications. I initially liked it a lot, but after giving it a complete tryout, it won't do the rest of the gluing in a car interior. I was hoping to replace two different contact adhesives with just one jack of all trades glue, but it just wouldn't do what I wanted it to do. It has a lot of good features, but it also has a lot of drawbacks, like it is very expensive, it needs spray equipment with a plastic cup, or stainless steel spray equipment, and very often it needs to be cleaned up completely after every use, unless you can seal your spray equipment against air infiltration. ( because, being water based, it will make other spray equipment rust) http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/new-...ue-190566.html
|04-25-2014 08:52 PM|
I understand what you are saying, but Dapp HHR and equivalents are being outlawed in certain states and are not accessible to the general public. Even professional trim shops are having a tough time purchasing it. This article sheds light on the subject and from the looks of things eventually everyone will be forced to use water based glues. http://www.thehogring.com/2012/01/29...st-trim-shops/ .
Yes I have used K Grip Plus, also known as K Grip 202. No it doesnt work as well as Dapp HHR but it holds up well down here in the Heat of South Carolinas Summers.
|04-25-2014 08:21 PM|
|DanTwoLakes||I use K-Grip 202 every day. K-Grip 202 plus is better than regular K-Grip, but still not up to the standards of DAP and 3-M top and trim adhesive. It is also $10 a gallon more expensive. Have you ever actually used it? You are recommending it to someone who has never used it either. 202 plus is rated for 215 degrees F, and DAP is rated for 250 degrees F. The bond with DAP and 3-M top and trim adhesives actually gets stronger with age. Are you willing to pay for the original poster to re-do his entire interior if K-Grip 202 Plus doesn't work for him?|
|04-25-2014 07:38 AM|
-HEADLINER / MARINE CARPET SPRAY ADHESIVE: Our top of the line, non-flammable spray adhesive is ideal for demanding high-temperature applications such as auto and marine, headliners / trim and marine carpet. It has very high heat resistance and is non-water soluble. The best non-flammable spray adhesive anywhere!
|04-22-2014 09:47 AM|
If you save money by using something that is doomed to fail and then have to do it over again completely, what exactly are you saving? If you have to go to an upholstery shop and have them order top and trim contact adhesive for you, you won't have to worry about a supplier who can't ship to your state.
I absolutely hate giving the correct advice that is then ignored, and seeing people screw up their interiors.
|04-22-2014 09:39 AM|
|DanTwoLakes||There is no aerosol recommended for overhead applications. If you used 3-M 74 or 77 they will absolutely fail. 3-M 8090 Super Trim adhesive is O.K., but still not recommended for overhead applications. The best thing to use is an HHR (high heat resistant) bulk (containers of a gallon or more) spray grade top and trim contact adhesive like DAP or 3-M. Check out this Wiki article: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...ntact_adhesive|
|04-21-2014 09:30 PM|
Hi, I am a new user in this forum and I registered after i read your questions.
I don't know if you already solved your dilemma on the glue to use, but i can tell you that last year i had the same problem as you. I had to do a headliner and i didn't know what glue to use, in the end i went with the 3M.
It is a good glue and it held well in the winter (Wisconsin winters are pretty cold) but as soon as the summer started it didn't even last till the end of june and the liner started dipping.
Read about DAP and thought id give it a try, its been solid for the past year and my car is a daily driver.
Just my 2 cents of knowledge, i got burned with those aerosol glues once, and if the summer over there is anything like here the liner is not going to last if you use aerosol glues.
|02-04-2013 09:27 PM|
|beachbum jim||There is also k-grip plus available at Rochford supply. A little more expensive but... K-Grip Plus Adhesive Spray, Aerosol, Adhesives & Sprays, HH-66 Vinyl Cement, K-Grip Adhesive Spray from Rochford Supply - Your Online Textile and Upholstery Superstore!|
|02-04-2013 09:17 PM|
|beachbum jim||I just read about the new restrictions being placed on adhesives. Here is the article. http://www.thehogring.com/2012/01/29...st-trim-shops/|
|02-04-2013 08:38 PM|
This could be a problem. (Not for me, I am in PA) From yourautotrim.com
"THIS ITEM CANNOT BE SHIPPED TO THE FOLLOWING STATES:
Rhode Island "
Nor will they. ship glue across the border to Canada. This is part of the problem.
|02-04-2013 08:02 PM|
"THIS ITEM CANNOT BE SHIPPED TO THE FOLLOWING STATES:
Rhode Island "
I've got the $50 and want to do it right. Maybe I'll have to rethink things. Thanks.
|02-04-2013 05:13 PM|
|beachbum jim||yourautotrim.com has the glue for $29.95 a gal. plus shipping. They also carry a descent selection of supplies at good prices.|
|02-04-2013 03:49 PM|
O.K., I am at a loss to understand why any of you can't spend $30.00 to buy a gallon of the best glue on the planet
Don't forget Dan, there are some of us out here that don't have access to the products you recommend. The only place I have found to buy any kind of trim glue is Ebay, and only after I asked why the Ebay store didn't have it listed. He listed it for me but the price came to about $90 gallon for a brand that nobody's ever heard of. I did get some from an upholstery shop, but never thought of asking him to order me a gallon. I will do that next time.
Also please remember, some of us are trying to do these projects on extremely limited budgets.
I want to thank you Dan for the help you've given me by answering questions on this board. Made me want to try things I've never done before. I hope you continue because there's always a need for expertise such as yours.
|02-04-2013 07:56 AM|
|DanTwoLakes||I'm saying a gallon, because that's the smallest container I have ever seen it come in. Let's put it this way, if you were spraying it, maybe two fillings of the spray gun's cup. It might take more if you brush it. Why not find an upholstery shop and have them order you a gallon? That should save you some money.|
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