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01-26-2013 04:41 AM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

Dan; I fit my paper patern to the other seat, & it checks OK, however, I'm thinking about shortening the width by maybe 1" (1/2" off each dide), & making a new bolster w/ the proper curve on top. I discovered when I took the dtitches out, there was a small area that was cut because of 2 thread passes over each other. I put 1/4" foam on the back of the seat. The front is 2" of foam w/ a 40 oz. jute cover, & cotton stuffed around the perimiter to fill out the edge. I also put a narrow strip of 40oz. jute under the bolster in hopes of filling it out better. I'm undecided whether to shorten it yet. I also have a choice of stiffer molded welt, or some softer I made. What think?
01-25-2013 08:13 AM
DanTwoLakes When patterning the front of the seat back and the seat bottom, the backing for the stitching that holds the pleats has to fit the seat frame. Once that is the correct size, you can do anything you want to the seat covers. Is there foam on the seats, or is it just cotton? If it's cotton, I would replace it with foam. You will get a much better finished product that way.
01-24-2013 02:37 PM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

Dan; I saw your excellent tutorial, I read it a number of times & always found something new. Using foam mite be worth looking into. Rite now I'm going to pull stitches, make a new bolster pattern, & make the front & back a little smaller, I'm thinking bout 1/2" off each side of cover & back, what think?
The bolster on the original had a curve on the top, which I missed, that was part of the prob it was so ill fitting. What about kapok, any good?
01-24-2013 01:21 PM
beachbum jim Joebob... I did that seat the new cheater way using sew foam. Dans tutorial on Tuck and Roll is excellent. In order to get the look your seat needs it will need to be done like Dan explains it. Recovering those seats is gonna be really tricky!!!
01-24-2013 07:45 AM
DanTwoLakes
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Beachbum;
I was reading back & looked at your post. Your seat is similar to mine, & less complicated. A very nice job indeed! I discovered on mine, the bolster on top doesnt have the curve on it like the original, so thats one of the reasons for the poor fit. I'm going to make a new bolster, shorten the cover & back a bit, pull the stitches, & try again. I have a few questions if you dont mind. Did you do the pleats the old fashioned way? If so, what did you stuff them with? How did you overcome the problem of sewing the welt cord across the stuffed pleats? Somewhere in the previous posts, I think it may have been Dan, it said to make the cover bigger, stuff it, draw the finished line on it, sew on the welt cord, then cut it to the line. That way you would have better support on either side of the welt rather than it wandering off the edge. What think?
No, that wasn't me. I said to sew the top end shut on your pleats as close to the outside edge as possible, and then sew another stitch line in 1/4" BEFORE you fill the pleats. That will keep the filling material away from the area you want to sew the welt onto.
01-24-2013 07:41 AM
DanTwoLakes
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Dan; Do you think kapoc would be a good filler for pleats? Where to get?
If I were you, I'd check out the synthetic filling materials available, like DuPont Comforel, or Silk Fill. If it was me, I'd find a way to fill the pleats with foam so they were more consistent. Look at this thread:

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/tuck...al-146204.html
01-24-2013 05:01 AM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

Beachbum;
I was reading back & looked at your post. Your seat is similar to mine, & less complicated. A very nice job indeed! I discovered on mine, the bolster on top doesnt have the curve on it like the original, so thats one of the reasons for the poor fit. I'm going to make a new bolster, shorten the cover & back a bit, pull the stitches, & try again. I have a few questions if you dont mind. Did you do the pleats the old fashioned way? If so, what did you stuff them with? How did you overcome the problem of sewing the welt cord across the stuffed pleats? Somewhere in the previous posts, I think it may have been Dan, it said to make the cover bigger, stuff it, draw the finished line on it, sew on the welt cord, then cut it to the line. That way you would have better support on either side of the welt rather than it wandering off the edge. What think?
01-23-2013 05:15 PM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

Dan; Do you think kapoc would be a good filler for pleats? Where to get?
01-23-2013 05:07 PM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

Many thanks for the info, Dan. I discovered a couple minor errors in my patterns, I'll correct them & try again. I'm hoping I can pull the stitches & start again, I used 6 per inch.When I made the tins, it was basicly 2 flat pieces, & there was too much friction along the sides, so I had difficulty pushing them in. Some new ones like you're saying may be the answer.
01-23-2013 03:17 PM
DanTwoLakes The piping tin is nothing more than a "C" shaped curved section, and a flat section with turned up sides (shaped like ] ). The curved section slips over the flat section with the filling material in between. When the two pieces are put together, it would have a shape like a "D" laid on its side. Obviously you push the whole thing into the pleat and then pull out each half separately.

The padding may be bonded cotton in the original.
01-23-2013 02:30 PM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

I was looking a little closer at the cover, & now see how it was sewn,(see pic). The stuffing is a preformed cotton strip, & I would say pretty hard, & fits in the pleat very tight. I would think this was done on some kind of purpose built machine, & the cotton was put in as it went. I know you would have to see it to believe it. I cant do it the same way, but it was beautifully done. Dan; The piping tins are for a much bigger pleat, (mine are 1-7/8"). I would like to see a section of what it looks like, being a tin knocker before I retired, I could make them. Just thought you guys may like to see other ways.
01-23-2013 07:08 AM
DanTwoLakes Yes, they look like this : Osborne No. 412-2" Piping or Channeling Tins Click on the picture for a bigger view.
01-23-2013 06:29 AM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

Dan; I may have tried sewing before stuffing before, dont rember. When I stuffed the channels, I used dacron, but could'nt pack it tite cuz it would'nt go all the way in before coming off the tins My tins are one flat piece, & one w/ a little curve, & I made a little sock for the end, Would piping tins that would totally enclose the stuffing work? I could make those. That way I could make the stuffing much denser. Any ideas what they should look like?
01-22-2013 02:14 PM
DanTwoLakes No, they would have sewed all the pleats in and then used piping tins to fill the channels. Kapoc is the same color as cotton, but it is very fine, and would fill up every little nook and cranny. It would almost seem like one piece over time. They used to fill life jackets with it. It's still available. You need to leave the filling back a little bit from the edges where you are sewing the welt on. All you should be sewing through is the backing and the outer layer of leather. Sew a stitch line at the very edges, and then sew another stitch line in 1/4" from that, and then fill it. That will keep the filling material back a little bit and make it easier to sew the welt on.
01-22-2013 11:50 AM
joebob37
Rolls & pleats

The original cover's boxing, or bolster had a slight curve to it on the side, near the top, which I duplicated. See the pic of the original. I took the pattern from the original backing w/ a 3/8" seam allowance 1- 7/8" pleats w/ a 2-1/4" pleat allowance. It should have fit OK, but like you say,somehow it grew. The major prob is the wavy welt cord. Trying to sew the welt to the cover first across the pleats after they were stuffed is where I think the prob. is. If it could be sewed before stuffing, maybe it would'nt have happened, but then I dont think I could have stuffed the pleats, at least properly I dont remember what kapoc looks like, but I see this is a very dense cotton fill in the pleats, it's probably what the Brits used in 1936. It was packed so tight, I dont know how it could be possibly done, they could'nd have stuffed it in later, so how was it done? I might like to start over again, just need to know as much as possible w/o you guy's seeing it. I'll kook a little closer when I get a chance, maybee they placed the stuffing first, then sewed each pleat, what think?
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