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03-10-2013 09:54 AM
tech69 apart from all the bickering most of us do, including myself, about how they legislate environmentalism, it's gotta be a tough task to change everything we do. The fact that a few are able to get away with it just goes to show the golden rule is in affect. So after seeing BP in charge of hiding or shall I say cleaning up their oil they spilled in the Gulf and how that Japan plant was in charge of doing the same to hide their radioactive waste, just goes to show that money buys you privileges not everyone has. Kind of sucks in a way.
03-10-2013 05:57 AM
69 widetrack
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We have Hanford, America's biggest nuclear waste facility (2 hours from here) and it's leaking. EPA is not going after it, they actually said "does not possess a serious threat" or some bs like that.
What are HOC?s Organic Compound, what is H for?
This type of Government not practicing what they preach is evident all over. When, for environmental reasons, we needed to switch from R12 to R134A Refrigerant in our cars to save the environment, the air force was hosing down fighter jets with R12.

In Canada, again to save the environment it has been mandated that all body shops switch to VOC compliant water born paint...When body shops do paint work, most often it doesn't involve painting the entire car, it may mean putting color on a fender, bumper cover, blend the hood and blend the adjacent door to the fender. This would mean that the body shop would mix a little over a pint of paint to paint the repaired area. Once the base is applied, very often the paint requires blowers to gently move air over the freshly painted surface in order for it to dry. Where does the power come from to compress the air to go through the blowers to dry the paint. More often than not it comes from a fossil fuel burning plant. We still need to clear the bumper cover, hood, fender and door with isocyanate solvent based clears. Yes they have reduced the amount of VOC's in the clear coats however, when you factor in the cost difference between VOC compliant base coats and clears regular based base coat and regular solvent based clears and the fact that we are using more energy to dry the product, base and clear...(some VOC compliant clears require a higher metal temperature to bake and cure the clear than regular solvent based clears)...plus not mention the cost of switching over to water born VOC compliant products...is there a saving or is it another ploy for Governments to say "look at what we're doing"?

On the other hand, I like water born, other than dry times on humid Summer days and from what I've seen, color match is superior and when applied properly it does lay down flatter than solvent based products. VOC compliant Clears...well that's another story that some manufacturer's need to work on.

Ray
03-09-2013 11:23 AM
swvalcon Here in MN if your dumpster is going to a place that will be burnt you can throw them in. If not you are suppose to have them shipped. Not that everyone handles it that way.
03-08-2013 04:48 PM
mitmaks We use Spectracron 100
http://www.ppg.com/coatings/truefini...neEnhanced.pdf
03-08-2013 04:32 PM
Old Fool
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What are HOC?s Organic Compound, what is H for?
40 CFR Appendix III to Part 268 - List of Halogenated Organic Compounds Regulated Under 268.32 - Code of Federal Regulations - Title 40: Protection of Environment - Subpart E: Prohibitions on Storage - Id 19820130 - vLex
03-08-2013 09:58 AM
mitmaks
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@OP, if you can find a job where you haven't got to deal with idiots and morons, I'd like to know what it is. I average about a moron per mile commuting so I know driving a big rig ain't it.
At least you're making better money than I am. This job made me lose my hair and the rest is graying as I write this
03-08-2013 09:51 AM
mitmaks
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yet BPA can handle their own clean up in the Gulf and disperse whatever chemical they feel like to break up the oil to hide it. Gotta love it!
We have Hanford, America's biggest nuclear waste facility (2 hours from here) and it's leaking. EPA is not going after it, they actually said "does not possess a serious threat" or some bs like that.
What are HOC?s Organic Compound, what is H for?
03-08-2013 08:30 AM
Stick895 @OP, if you can find a job where you haven't got to deal with idiots and morons, I'd like to know what it is. I average about a moron per mile commuting so I know driving a big rig ain't it.
03-08-2013 06:53 AM
tech69 yet BPA can handle their own clean up in the Gulf and disperse whatever chemical they feel like to break up the oil to hide it. Gotta love it!
03-08-2013 05:37 AM
Old Fool
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Sounds like some idiot bureaucrat wrote this crap
"Use leftover paints as an undercoat or primer. The quality of the undercoat or primer is not as important as the finish coat."
very true!

Does you waste contain HOC? If so your boss might be spendy wisely, EPA fines are pretty spendy.
The law allows you to collect the fine if the EPA does not assess the fine for a violation.
There are firms around the country that do this full time.
They look for know violations, contact EPA, if EPA does not cite the owner,then the firm files suit and they get to keep the fine.

I had some training in this field as my employer generated quantities ( thousands of gallons a week) of hazmat and my dept had to handle, store, and ship it.
IF you ever get a letter inviting you to an EPA party, look and see who else is invited, and hope their pockets are deeper than yours, because he who can pay will pay.
03-07-2013 07:07 PM
mitmaks Sounds like some idiot bureaucrat wrote this crap
"Use leftover paints as an undercoat or primer. The quality of the undercoat or primer is not as important as the finish coat."
03-07-2013 05:29 PM
Old Fool Click on this link Auto Body Rule Tool - Local Hazardous Waste Management Program in King County, then click on the paint booth, then click on the yellow marker on the intake stack. It states filters containing HOC's are hazardous waste. Then Click on the Filters heading for more info.
It appears that Spokane County is following King County's lead in this area of discussion.
Spokane Regional Clean Air Agency - Industry - Surface Coaters
03-07-2013 11:33 AM
mitmaks
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
Arnold? He is a conservative (? sort of) Republican, it's the liberals who have done all that stuff. But on that regard, like I said, I love my children and grand children and will make these tiny adjustments so they have a home that is hazardous free in the future, I have no problem with that.

I did get a clarification on the disposal of the filters just now from my boss. We can throw them in the trash because they have been tested! We have to have them tested every five years for what nasties are in them. They have passed so they can be thrown in the garage, maybe your boss needs to look into that?

Brian
I sure don't like polluting myself, I recycle oil, paper, metal, etc however it sucks knowing that large companies just dump waste water into local rivers.
California is so polluted there's smog over it 24/7. How come there bureaucrats didn't get together decades earlier and made a plan to prevent all this pollution.
We're running on 10% ethanol gas and gas prices are not down like they said they would be cause of "renewable source" <-- bunch of bs.
They're trying to run same laws up here as they did in California.
03-07-2013 11:28 AM
mitmaks Interesting is that Hanford is leaking thousands of gallons of nuclear waste and they're not doing anything about it, but they are so concerned about dry paint filters.
Hanford nuclear leak: Budget cuts threaten cleanup efforts - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
Leaking tanks are Hanford nuke site's latest woe
03-07-2013 11:27 AM
mitmaks
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
Arnold? He is a conservative (? sort of) Republican, it's the liberals who have done all that stuff. But on that regard, like I said, I love my children and grand children and will make these tiny adjustments so they have a home that is hazardous free in the future, I have no problem with that.

I did get a clarification on the disposal of the filters just now from my boss. We can throw them in the trash because they have been tested! We have to have them tested every five years for what nasties are in them. They have passed so they can be thrown in the garage, maybe your boss needs to look into that?

Brian
My previous "lead" aka paint shop supervisor had it done by independent test lab and they said they can be thrown in dumpster and are not hazardous.
Now this guy - new plant supervisor comes along and tells us to put them in 55 gal drums and then they haul them off. This supervisor asked a company "Safety Kleen" if they are dangerous and they're like "oh ya, they're bad, you should pay us to haul them off"
It is so bad now that when we sweep inside spray booth we have to plastic bag it and put it inside barrels to have them hauled off also.
This guy doesn't ask anyone or consult with previous supervisor to find out information. He just does what he thinks he should do.
I was promised a lead position but they put old guy in charge who used to paint caskets and is a complete idiot. This place has done downhill since I've started working there 7.5+ years ago.
They don't want to put in as a supervisor cause I do a lot of work for very little pay and they would loose a good painter.
I think once I finish project at home I'm doing for a guy I will be going to truck driving, make more money there and won't have to deal with as many idiots and chemicals.
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