|03-13-2013 10:14 PM|
There is a reason why we video the cars to watch the car hook during set-up.
Notice in this picture:
How square the car is wheelstanding.That is atleast frame ties but more than likely much more than that.
There is certainly lift in the rear,so suspension work done in the rear.
The front wheels are even and not twisted,so there again we're see more development in the front suspension/framework.
A narrowed rearend and what is common a 9" Ford. Drag Shocks/struts too.
Atleast a roll bar or cage.
Of course electronics come in play.
All this new adds up quick...............just another reason to buy a roller with all this done already.
|03-12-2013 01:19 PM|
As I suggested,it's cheaper to buy a roller than to build one.In all the time we have been racing we only had one new car which was a Jeg's Beretta that we built.Well that is for door-slammers I mean.All 9.90 cars until the last 5yrs or so which have been 10.90's which is the secondary car in a two car race deal.So the rest where from the source of auctions or financially distressed project cars raced for a yr and flip sold.
I have to admit some of them where tube frame Camaro's.(not much of the stock body left)Anyone in drag racing will tell you the fastest fast track to going fast and the cheapest is to go light.The thing is stock body Camaro's weight is ton ++++.In any other respect they have many advantages.But they are very heavy cars.There is a formula rule of thumb that for every 100lbs is = to 10hp and to lose wt is by far cheaper than to buy/build 10hp.
I'm not trying to discourage you,just make you realize what your dealing with.By far it is tons easier to run a number in a car with the wt of 2300 lbs with you in it than one even with wt reduction in the range of 3,000 lbs the Camaro's are.
The super stock cars are huge budgets and much of that is engine development which you don't see.By far they spend tons more than we do in either 9.90 or 10.90 cars.I have afew friends that have run in those classes for many,many,yrs and they honestly have told me how much they have invested in only one season.It's scarey....................
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ADVISE I CAN PASS ON TO YOU!!. NEVER MARRY INTO ANY CAR LONG TERM!!. THAT IS THE CRITICAL MISTAKE GUYS MAKE ALL THE TIME.THE LONGER YOU KEEP IT THE LESS AND LESS CHANCE YOU WILL EVER SEE THAT MONEY AGAIN.GOT A FRIEND BOBBY WITH A VEGA THAT HAS OVER THE YRS INVESTED $250,000 NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN.GET A GOOD DEAL FROM WHERE I SAID AND ONLY RACE IT AT MOST FOR TWO SEASONS NEVER FALLING LOVE WITH ANYTHING!!!. THE REST OF ENGINE BUILDS/COMBOS IS MUCH EASIER AND FALL INTO PLACE.
|03-12-2013 10:57 AM|
The 3rd gen cars make very good drag cars.
There are many ways to build/upgrade the chassis and lots of aftermarket support for driveline and suspension and chassis parts for drag racing.
What performance level are you looking to achieve? Budget?
you can take some que's from any of the many stock eliminator and superstock '84 +/- era camaros you are sure to find at any drag strip.
|03-12-2013 12:59 AM|
I not suppose to post on forums about our race program.Partner hate forums.But I do think with this it is a free pass.Last yr's RED car in the 1/8 went 4.56 @ 150mph being on the bottle in the middle of the lap only .002.So it's been sold off and this yr's is totally different car/combo.We're thinking even faster this yr.
The second car won 10.90 track champ and a wkend champ winning twice at one track and again at a second track in the same wkend,never been done before.That was a decent pay day.$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!.
|03-11-2013 11:11 PM|
|1932bantam||yes 1/4 mile 350+ .060 camel humps 2.02 ported polished .680 rollercam (swapmeet 50.00) 3310 holley v secondarys 9 inch 5.13 32tall slicks strictly old school and lowbuck turbo 350 sat. nite special converter ,vertex mag. there is a pic of it in my album after i put the blower on it with gas, then alky blown and injected same engine mid 9's 137 mph|
|03-11-2013 09:01 AM|
|obe1racing||are those times in the quarter with that setup and what did you have for a motor|
|03-11-2013 08:54 AM|
|obe1racing||the gear ratio in a turbo 350 are 2.52 1.52 and 1|
|03-11-2013 07:49 AM|
|1932bantam||years ago when I built my first car (henry j Gasser) all i had at the time was the 3.0 gear turbo 350 and used 2nd in the 1/4! you need a stump pullin gear for the 1/8 mile , when I changed to the 5.13 dropped it from 13.0 to 11.0 just like that ,then went to blown stuff I haven't been the same since|
|03-10-2013 10:27 PM|
Build more engine/combo than you think your going to need to run the number.The first 60'/330' times are key along with R/T's.For us(not a brag) there are only two times we run the car(s) out the back door.Once in spring for test and tune and once while demo'ing the car to a buyer.We do run a glide in both cars and the secondary car is a 10.90 car.
At a Empire national we ran 9.04,9.06,9.01,and 9.90 with a 4.0 light.LOL-man you should have heard the grumbling everytime we pulled into the staging lanes.
I suggest you shop rollers.There are deals out there that are strut front ends,4 links with the good brakes,chassis's and roll cages that are still in cert.Typically you can buy that cheaper than build your own.And a added benefit of the history of the car's time slips.Then build a engine combo to run under the number.
We have run anything in 400 OEM's from 406's to 434's.Never bought a aftermarket block for any of that kind of car.Not a brag again,but we certainly have won more than our fair share of races over 40 yrs of 9.90 cars.Is it better to be lucky than good??.Yep,it sure is.But I got to believe our race program has had something to do with it too.
|03-10-2013 09:48 PM|
|03-10-2013 09:46 PM|
Are you talking about gear reduction math in each gear?
If you're only going to use 2 gears, why not use a PG and the right gears? Otherwise, there's no benefit to having a T-350 trans, not to mention the weight penalty.
|03-10-2013 08:40 PM|
|obe1racing||yes i agree however the second gear in a turbo 350 times the 3.0 gear makes it a 4.56 final and its only 660 feet|
|03-10-2013 08:23 PM|
|1932bantam||with a 3.0 gear is going to be a slug running 1/8 you'll like at least 4.56|
|03-10-2013 08:11 PM|
|obe1racing||the final gear was 4.56 and stall is 2200-2500 and will turn 5500-6000 in the 1/8th the engine is on alcohol and 12.5 comp|
|03-10-2013 07:04 PM|
|68NovaSS||At a glance, not near enough gear, you should be in the high 4's at least, not enough carb. I'm a 1/4 not an eighth mile racer, but I'm sure there are plenty here to help with more specifics. What's your converter stall?|
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