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Today 10:03 PM
lakeroadster
Custom Side Trim - 1965 C10 Step Side SWB

Finished installing custom side trim on my ole beater shop truck:
Today 09:57 PM
MARTINSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by John long View Post
Very, very nice Brian. Marge thanks you I know.

John

Yeah, I really feel bad driving Jessica out of the garage past Marge up on jack stands in the driveway. I can hear her "Topless *****", I have to go pat her dash board just to reassure her.

Brian
Today 09:54 PM
John long
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
I welded in the two pieces I made last night, then made the next three pieces that will finish up the project. Yes I made another of that one with the half round cut in it, the first one made in one of my five minutes in the garage after work was crap.

Brian
Very, very nice Brian. Marge thanks you I know.

John
Today 09:49 PM
MARTINSR I welded in the two pieces I made last night, then made the next three pieces that will finish up the project. Yes I made another of that one with the half round cut in it, the first one made in one of my five minutes in the garage after work was crap.

Brian
Today 08:33 PM
tech69
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Originally Posted by 1971BB427 View Post
I've had good and bad luck with HF items, and it's hard to say don't buy a certain product there. I needed a hole saw for a friend's car, and mine were at home. He said he'd run to HF and buy a set. Brought them back, and if you got them within an inch of metal they were dull before they touched it! My Milwaukie, Lenox, and Greenlee holesaws are years old, and still work great.
But I've got numerous HF air tools that I bought as throwaways for projects, and they've lasted years now, and still going strong. Also have a couple HF angle grinders, and they work as well as my Milwaukie. Bought a HF solar security light for my side yard, and the first one quit in the first rain storm. Got another one later, and it's still working so far.
I'd never consider buying their battery drive drills, or saws, but they may be OK? Just didn't want to chance them, as the cheap batteries scared me from getting them. I have a pin nailer that looks like the stapler pictured, and got it for my kitchen remodel. It's great, and I love how well it works!
I would never trust their rechargeable stuff but then again, if you ever had a Makita 18v lithium ion battery and charger anything on the market would be better than that.
Today 07:50 PM
harposrepair The key to making any air tool last is keeping them oiled and not leaving them laying around on the floor where dirt will get in.

A friend of mine had Snap-on air tools in his business and every 3-4 months they had to be worked on. I started cleaning them out in his parts washer by running the fluid through them then taking them outside and running air through them and then oiling them every week. It was at least a year before he had to have them repaired again.

I have a generic 3/8 drive air ratchet I bought new for $10 at a BIG car show called "FROG FOLLIES" in Evansville, IN 15 years ago and it still works as good as a new Snap-on.

I agree on the cheap rechargeable tools, their batteries just don't last long if you use them everyday. As far as the HF paint sprayers, unless you're expecting show quality paint jobs, they will usually do as good as a Macco job or better.

If you look in my photos you can see my Nova and I was painted with a HF sprayer.
Today 07:11 PM
tech69
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadbodyman View Post
I have that air brad and staple gun it works great I just finished a cedar lined closet with it...it'll probably sit 6 mo before I use it again, Its next project is recovering my roll around stools. You cant even rent one that cheap. I love those little flash lights too ,you can get a free one with a purchase or buy them two in a pack,I have them all over the shop ,when they go dead I just toss them because you cant even buy the batteries as cheap as the whole light...
hahahha. same here. Got em all over the house. Even my daughter has one.
Today 05:53 PM
1971BB427 I've had good and bad luck with HF items, and it's hard to say don't buy a certain product there. I needed a hole saw for a friend's car, and mine were at home. He said he'd run to HF and buy a set. Brought them back, and if you got them within an inch of metal they were dull before they touched it! My Milwaukie, Lenox, and Greenlee holesaws are years old, and still work great.
But I've got numerous HF air tools that I bought as throwaways for projects, and they've lasted years now, and still going strong. Also have a couple HF angle grinders, and they work as well as my Milwaukie. Bought a HF solar security light for my side yard, and the first one quit in the first rain storm. Got another one later, and it's still working so far.
I'd never consider buying their battery drive drills, or saws, but they may be OK? Just didn't want to chance them, as the cheap batteries scared me from getting them. I have a pin nailer that looks like the stapler pictured, and got it for my kitchen remodel. It's great, and I love how well it works!
Today 05:27 PM
deadbodyman
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
A few interesting things on this subject just came up recently at the shop. The power of marketing, this is why it grabbed my attention years ago and has never let go. I am fascinated by marketing. It can make or break a business, the name of the business can mean success or failure, and it doesn't matter one damn thing how good or bad the product is!

So check it out, we have a shop in town marketed as "America's body shop",we all know the one. We have had the owner calling us to ask if we worked on Teslas, a guy with a Tesla was there with a collision job. A TESLA, a super high end specialty car! The guy went to Maaco! You MUST be on a preferred shop list at Tesla to even buy parts, it's a "cult" like car, and the owner went to Maaco? Then in the same week he sent over to us a 2013 BMW M3 convertible that needed a quarter panel bad, a black one, the dude had went to Maaco! WTH! Ahhhhh, the power of marketing.

That all being said, this Maaco is a HELL of a value, we send cars to them all the time. And he is doing a LOT of "restoration" work. He will do a complete gutted car, pretty damn nice. He will paint a vintage car without pulling off a moulding and it looks DAMN nice! For a funky old daily driver like my Rambler or an 80's car someone wants to drive everyday, it's a HELL of a value. Like Mike said, the MATERIALS would cost me more than the job at Maaco.

Is it "high quality" of course not, how could it be! But it will get you buy damn nice.

On the cheap tools at HF Mike, there is one thing that makes a big difference when they are called "junk". It isn't that they may not last as long, I understand that. Especially if they aren't being used much like a home hobbiest, hell yeah, it's killer, so what if they don't last long? Under a home hobbiest hands it's not being used much, so it will last forever. The problem I have with MANY of their tools is they don't work at all, or at least not nearly up to the level of the quality tool. So the pro who wants to save some money is working harder, spending more time to use it, while the home hobbiest thinks the poor work it is producing is HIM when in fact no one could produce quality work with the tool he bought at HF. So many of them are simply junk.

The "MIG Welding pliers" I bought are a good example. They wouldn't even fit into the nozzle! The quality Forney is on the right.





And the hoses, oh yeah, the hoses I bought for my torch!



As long as you KNOW what you are buying (and I thought I did buying these two pieces of crap) maybe some good reviews from guys like you on forums who have used them successfully. My HF staple gun worked great to do my top on the Gran Sport and still working great for other projects.

Guys, I highly recommend picking up one of these tools and a few boxes of different sized staples, they are VERY useful for many other projects around the garage and home. It was on sale (without a 20% coupon even) for something like $17. It's a HELL OF A TOOL for only $17!


Brian
I have that air brad and staple gun it works great I just finished a cedar lined closet with it...it'll probably sit 6 mo before I use it again, Its next project is recovering my roll around stools. You cant even rent one that cheap. I love those little flash lights too ,you can get a free one with a purchase or buy them two in a pack,I have them all over the shop ,when they go dead I just toss them because you cant even buy the batteries as cheap as the whole light...
Today 04:16 PM
hduff
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadbodyman View Post
whithout knowing how much he paid or what he originally paid the shop to do you shouldnt be so critical of the body shop, the paint looks pretty good for being 10 yrs old .Unless he paid for a total restoration then I agree he got ripped but if all he paid for was a paint job he got his moneys worth (fenders dont come off with your normal paint job)...Most of the body and paint guys here have to deal with cheap ***** everyday that go against our advise Plus (like everybody else on the planet) we dont work for free but here at HR we do give the advise you'll need to do it yourself for free. how many other professions do this??? do you??? Two things I've learned is be carefull when you critisize someone and you usually get what you pay for ....For instance how rough was the car to start with....how much did the guy pay...if you got it for a deal or free what the heck are you complaining about at least you have a cool project to work on... I see cheap guys all the time that bring their vettes to macco and get mad when it looks like crap,.when they come to my shop to get it right I just laugh at them and say: What did you expect???? Then send them on their way. Lets hope you can do a better job than Petey.
I understand what you're saying and appreciate your concern.

This was supposed to have been a high-dollar frame-off restoration of my friends' daily driver. He spared no expense on replacement parts and ,while he never told me how much he paid the body guy, it would have been in line with that kind of restoration. The drivetrain/suspension part of the restoration (done by my friend) is meticulous. The body had been lightly damaged in an accident, so those repairs need to be made (not puttyed over). It needs to be noted that my friend (who abandoned the project due to ill health) never saw the completed work; it sat at the body shop for a year before I retrieved it. My friend had paid all the bills, but the fellow tried to shake me down for an additional $400 before he would release the car to me. All the body panels were to have been removed, repaired and re-painted. On these cars, a lot of fitment is required to get all the panels lined up; it's not like you can just bolt them back on. Since there's not much to these cars, fitting all the rest of the car requires the body shell to have all the mounting holes back in the right place and you have to remove and replace the fenders to get the fender beading installed.

Now, I do have to give the guy credit for the paint and it looked good (and its till looks good since it spent 10 years in a garage), but the quality of the body work was so poor that it would be ruined trying to get the car put back together properly and had it been on the road the past ten years instead of in my mom's garage, there would be serious rust issues. Years ago, I watched a fellow gut a rusty rocker panel, fill it with newspaper, slap on some Bondo and put a beautiful pain job over it. That's pretty much what this situation is; underneath the pretty is a bunch of ugly. The man didn't do the job my friend believed that he had done. And he pretty much established that kind of reputation before he moved out of the area.

Now that the fenders are off, they can be properly repaired. Not an overly difficult job, but a very time-consuming one. The battery box must be replaced; it's too far damaged to be repaired. I have about a dozen caged nuts to replace, again just a time-consuming process. I'm fortunate that the remaining damage is all in readily accessible areas which makes it all the more peculiar that it was not done right the first time. And it's pretty straightforward panel beating and patching, so it's within my capabilities, plus that's the part I enjoy the most..

Did I get a deal? Properly restored and repaired, these cars can fetch $25,000 to $35,000, a lot of that depending on the documentation and quality of repairs. I have about $8,000 in the car, but if I can't repair the fenders (the left front is in pretty bad shape and oly a few patch panels are available), new fenders are $1,000 each and require extensive fitment. The bulkhead is damaged, but looks repairable (won't know until the body filler is gone) but replacement panels are about $800 per side. The battery box is a bargain at $150, but is a lot of work to replace. I'll probably have about $15,000 out-of pocket invested on completion, not counting my time, so I'll do OK in a sale. I'd actually make more $$ by parting it out but I just can't do that.
Today 03:03 PM
tech69 yeah but then you take their HF tool boxes... You can't find one on Craigslist but you do see tons of Snap On/ MAC/Matco boxes. That has got to account for something. The 44" top box for the bottom box I have is on sale til the end of the month and I won't have to make payments on it. It's a great high quality box for the price. Sure there's a lot of tools I bought there and trashed after realizing they were junk but for the most part tools are tools. For most tools it's the man behind the tools. This doesn't mean I think I can get a nice atomized clear out of a harbor freight gun, it means I'll be selective and pick up their welding carts, english wheel (soon), and shrinker/stretcher. When the jaws are worn out on this I'll get better brand jaws from a reputable company and we're lucky to have Lazze to show us how to tune up your shrinker stretcher. I've heard so much nonsense about you need this tool to do this or that...pppffttt... all my metal shaping tools are the cheapest of the cheap and the work proves it's the guy behind the tools, not always the tools. Just got to know what to avoid from HF and the gamble isn't gonna put you far behind when you choose wrong. That said, I have good tools for the most part but no need for snap on wrenches/sockets when my Craftsman are doing fine.


Anyhow, just got back from priming the bike, tank, and rear fender. Everything looks amazing! I'm very proud of myself right now and as expected the SF bead rolled gusset patch will need some spot primer after I sand on it and add a little putty. The tank looks amazing and rear fender looks good too. Will shoot some pics when I bring the parts back home. By that time I should have my rims from the powder coater and will shoot some pics when I throw on the spokes.
Today 10:51 AM
MARTINSR A few interesting things on this subject just came up recently at the shop. The power of marketing, this is why it grabbed my attention years ago and has never let go. I am fascinated by marketing. It can make or break a business, the name of the business can mean success or failure, and it doesn't matter one damn thing how good or bad the product is!

So check it out, we have a shop in town marketed as "America's body shop",we all know the one. We have had the owner calling us to ask if we worked on Teslas, a guy with a Tesla was there with a collision job. A TESLA, a super high end specialty car! The guy went to Maaco! You MUST be on a preferred shop list at Tesla to even buy parts, it's a "cult" like car, and the owner went to Maaco? Then in the same week he sent over to us a 2013 BMW M3 convertible that needed a quarter panel bad, a black one, the dude had went to Maaco! WTH! Ahhhhh, the power of marketing.

That all being said, this Maaco is a HELL of a value, we send cars to them all the time. And he is doing a LOT of "restoration" work. He will do a complete gutted car, pretty damn nice. He will paint a vintage car without pulling off a moulding and it looks DAMN nice! For a funky old daily driver like my Rambler or an 80's car someone wants to drive everyday, it's a HELL of a value. Like Mike said, the MATERIALS would cost me more than the job at Maaco.

Is it "high quality" of course not, how could it be! But it will get you buy damn nice.

On the cheap tools at HF Mike, there is one thing that makes a big difference when they are called "junk". It isn't that they may not last as long, I understand that. Especially if they aren't being used much like a home hobbiest, hell yeah, it's killer, so what if they don't last long? Under a home hobbiest hands it's not being used much, so it will last forever. The problem I have with MANY of their tools is they don't work at all, or at least not nearly up to the level of the quality tool. So the pro who wants to save some money is working harder, spending more time to use it, while the home hobbiest thinks the poor work it is producing is HIM when in fact no one could produce quality work with the tool he bought at HF. So many of them are simply junk.

The "MIG Welding pliers" I bought are a good example. They wouldn't even fit into the nozzle! The quality Forney is on the right.





And the hoses, oh yeah, the hoses I bought for my torch!



As long as you KNOW what you are buying (and I thought I did buying these two pieces of crap) maybe some good reviews from guys like you on forums who have used them successfully. My HF staple gun worked great to do my top on the Gran Sport and still working great for other projects.

Guys, I highly recommend picking up one of these tools and a few boxes of different sized staples, they are VERY useful for many other projects around the garage and home. It was on sale (without a 20% coupon even) for something like $17. It's a HELL OF A TOOL for only $17!


Brian
Today 09:10 AM
deadbodyman
Quote:
Originally Posted by John long View Post
LOL, Mike probably could have been more tackfull but what he is saying is 100% correct. This is why I care nothing about doing customer work. When you touch a car your reputation is on the line. Few customer understand the time involved to do a proper restoration and even fewer are willing to pay the price.

If you are going to pay someone else to build a car you better have a really good car to start with. Had someone else bought the car I am building and had it professionally built they would end up paying 125,000 dollars and end up owning a 55,000 car.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out all the work that needs to be done but don't be too hard on the shop that did the work unless you know what he was paid and what he agreed to do.

There is a common saying in the restoration business. "The pain of poor quality is remembered long after the joy of low price is forgotten."

John
I had to delete what I was writing a few times to make it more tactfull .I didn't mean to jump to the shops defence ,I don't know the circumstances it could very well be the shops fault and I cant stand that because when a shop does crap work or try to mislead the customer it makes us ALL look bad The main reason I get upset is I hear this every day. So and so did a crap job or Macco did a crap job etc. I mean What the heck do you expect ? When you go to HF and get a tool like a 9.99 die grinder and it only lasts a year (ok ,6mo) Why say they make crap ? In my opinion they make a heck of a die grinder for 9.99 and It'll Last 6 mo....
Theres an econo type paint shop down the road and they'll paint your car for 200.00 its a heck of a deal since I cant even get the paint for that ..I bring a car there every once in a while myself, like an old dependable DD that's only worth 1000.00 ,that 200.00 paint job will sell the car quicker,but if you go there with something nice figuring your getting the same job as every shop in town is doing for 3500, forget about it ,they'll ruin it. that's not what they specialize in.
Like I said I don't know the circumstances or Petey I just hate it when someone jumps to the conclusion that the guy doing the work screwed the customer when for all we know he was doing a paint job and did all that extra for free, that's why it didn't last.
Yesterday 11:30 PM
2ndroundko Removed my old leaf spring bushing in my c10 getting ready to finish my flip kit install. Also adjusted my valves to try to get rid of this pesky lean backfire.
Yesterday 11:29 PM
MARTINSR I wasn't going to get out to the garage but HAD TO put in my five minutes. I got a pattern made for the next piece that has to be cut was it, but that's closer to finishing than if I hadn't gone out there!

Brian
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