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03-26-2013 11:18 AM
tech69 just the other day some old guy was walking by our shop and one of the guys in the office goes, "that's such and such, he did *****'s car in the day. I guess he's a local legend. Has Parkinsons and can't do the work anymore. Made me wonder if it was from chemicals he was exposed to.
03-26-2013 10:48 AM
MARTINSR
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Martin, I know you mean well. That's all that matters . Giving you crap ONLY for the fact you get a little too nerdy about it, but again, some users don't know so you are alerting them to some very important stuff. I get all Huffy over what employers are supposed to do but I also know when to stand up for myself and when to decide what's more important.
Yes and that is the thing, we must do it ourselves if it is in anyway going to jeopardize are feeding our family of course.

I sure can see the getting nerdy, I do drive a Rambler everyday, I do lean towards nerdy. But when I look at how easy it is to protect yourself and the consequences when you don't, it is an easy decision for me to be a little nerdy. I know a lot of it is genes but when I see guys who have done this stuff for years and as old as me and I can hop on my 55lb 1939 Columbia bike and ride a wheelie or hike the 2500 ft peak on the edge of town without so much as thinking about it and they can barely get up and walk across the room!

It is too easy to protect ourselves, it is just too easy to prevent something that is not repairable.

Brian
03-26-2013 10:02 AM
tech69
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Henry, of course I understand reality and what we often put up with to feed our family.



As far as saying you should have had safety googles on in one of your videos, holy crap I sure don't remember that particular thing but it has stuck in your craw and I am sorry for that. I hope I didn't say it in some belittling way or something like that. Maybe I did and that is why it has bothered you. Because the only reason I say it is because I care about you guys and don't want to see you hurt. And it most certainly wasn't said only to YOU, most every word I post is for much more than the poster, it is for everyone who looks in the future, lurkers, etc. I have had co-workers and a very good friend die because of work related dangers that were ignored. My friend's was such a ridiculous thing even with his police training and life experiences, I don't know if he was warned but it seems pretty well known when you look around a little. He had doves that he let go at weddings. He DIED from a "dander" off the feathers of the birds that destroyed his lungs. He DIED from this seemingly harmless little hobby of caring for doves, who in the crap would have ever thought he wouldn't live but 5-10 years after he was doing this all that time on an oxygen tank and dying on his couch alone. When he told me of this condition he had he said "Who would have thunk"? If someone tells you to be careful, "Drive safe" don't take it personal, take it personally.

Where I work it is quite different and there is NO PROBLEM what so ever when it comes to asking and getting safety equipment. Any guy in the shop can order any special thing he wants at any time and it's done, no questions asked. I know it always isn't like that. But just so the man knows it is the LAW, he can take that info and do as he wishes. There is a long way from screaming at the boss with a OSHA form in front of him and simply asking for the stuff in the proper way as to remind him he needs to supply this stuff for his employees.

Brian
Martin, I know you mean well. That's all that matters . Giving you crap ONLY for the fact you get a little too nerdy about it, but again, some users don't know so you are alerting them to some very important stuff. I get all Huffy over what employers are supposed to do but I also know when to stand up for myself and when to decide what's more important.
03-26-2013 09:55 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by 302 Z28 View Post
FWIW the OP was about "charcoal" filters. I am not aware of any respirator filters worth their salt that have charcoal in the filters, I believe most have acitvated carbon.

Vince

LOL, I call them "charcoal" filters too. Funny how we get use to something like that. Oh does it drive me nuts when someone at work calls REFRIGERANT in an AC system, R134 "Freon" grrrrrrrrr. but we all do it and someone is going grrrrrr because I called his activated carbon filter "charcoal". LOL

Bria
03-26-2013 09:51 AM
MARTINSR
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I give you crap when you go too far like commenting on my video just to tell me I should have worn eye glasses to do some shrinking. As far as his employer being wrong, WELCOME TO REALITY! Want to go march in there and tell them how to conduct business? It is what it is and if he wants to remain in good standing with his company he'll know exactly what to do...which might be wearing a fricken mask! More than half the time I don't have rubber gloves and it pisses me off. I ask for them but they don't come. Maybe I should go into work with a rule book so two weeks later I can sit at home with a box of gloves and no job.
Henry, of course I understand reality and what we often put up with to feed our family.

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I know we all don't want to start some crap with our making a living but the employer MUST by law provide you with protection. And you really need to do some home work on what kind, a paint respirator may not even do a thing with ammonia, I don't know, you don't know and the unless one of us really has some knowledge on this EXACT problem, we just don't know. You need to do some REAL home work and screw comfort, you need PROTECTION. Ammonia is some bad ars stuff, don't screw around with your health!

Brian
As far as saying you should have had safety googles on in one of your videos, holy crap I sure don't remember that particular thing but it has stuck in your craw and I am sorry for that. I hope I didn't say it in some belittling way or something like that. Maybe I did and that is why it has bothered you. Because the only reason I say it is because I care about you guys and don't want to see you hurt. And it most certainly wasn't said only to YOU, most every word I post is for much more than the poster, it is for everyone who looks in the future, lurkers, etc. I have had co-workers and a very good friend die because of work related dangers that were ignored. My friend's was such a ridiculous thing even with his police training and life experiences, I don't know if he was warned but it seems pretty well known when you look around a little. He had doves that he let go at weddings. He DIED from a "dander" off the feathers of the birds that destroyed his lungs. He DIED from this seemingly harmless little hobby of caring for doves, who in the crap would have ever thought he wouldn't live but 5-10 years after he was doing this all that time on an oxygen tank and dying on his couch alone. When he told me of this condition he had he said "Who would have thunk"? If someone tells you to be careful, "Drive safe" don't take it personal, take it personally.

Where I work it is quite different and there is NO PROBLEM what so ever when it comes to asking and getting safety equipment. Any guy in the shop can order any special thing he wants at any time and it's done, no questions asked. I know it always isn't like that. But just so the man knows it is the LAW, he can take that info and do as he wishes. There is a long way from screaming at the boss with a OSHA form in front of him and simply asking for the stuff in the proper way as to remind him he needs to supply this stuff for his employees.

Brian
03-26-2013 09:28 AM
tech69
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I find it amazing that I have had people give me a hard time here on the forum about warning people about wearing their protection. This is SERIOUS stuff here! My God, this life is so precious. It's like I tell the guys at work "Believe me you WANT to see your grand children". If anyone doesn't like this thread and us talking about the seriousness of protecting ourselves please just don't waste your time posting jokes here, you aren't funny.

Brian
I give you crap when you go too far like commenting on my video just to tell me I should have worn eye glasses to do some shrinking. As far as his employer being wrong, WELCOME TO REALITY! Want to go march in there and tell them how to conduct business? It is what it is and if he wants to remain in good standing with his company he'll know exactly what to do...which might be wearing a fricken mask! More than half the time I don't have rubber gloves and it pisses me off. I ask for them but they don't come. Maybe I should go into work with a rule book so two weeks later I can sit at home with a box of gloves and no job.
03-26-2013 09:05 AM
302 Z28 FWIW the OP was about "charcoal" filters. I am not aware of any respirator filters worth their salt that have charcoal in the filters, I believe most have acitvated carbon.

Vince
03-26-2013 05:51 AM
BarryK
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
I find it amazing that I have had people give me a hard time here on the forum about warning people about wearing their protection. This is SERIOUS stuff here! My God, this life is so precious. It's like I tell the guys at work "Believe me you WANT to see your grand children". If anyone doesn't like this thread and us talking about the seriousness of protecting ourselves please just don't waste your time posting jokes here, you aren't funny.

Brian
You are 100% right and what a lot of people don't understand is a lot of time what you can smell, is not what does the most damage.
Iso's have no smell but the solvents mixed as a carrier do.

We have two different types of Monomers, "Monomeric HDI" and "Monomeric IPDI" that we use in special projects, these are way more dangerous then finished ISO's but have almost no smell at all or a very faint smell. Just too get these two items require a ton of paper work and an inspection of lab area.
I'm the only one that is allowed to touch these drums and handle and no matter how I explain, the employees don't understand because there is no odor in the room when I use these or process them.
They scare me so much, I won't even allow anyone in that part of building when using, so usually do at night, and it is the only time, I throw away the paint suit when done.

NONE of these chemicals are anything to take lightly and your statement about jokes, the joke is really on the person that pays no attention to the warnings.
03-25-2013 09:06 PM
MARTINSR I find it amazing that I have had people give me a hard time here on the forum about warning people about wearing their protection. This is SERIOUS stuff here! My God, this life is so precious. It's like I tell the guys at work "Believe me you WANT to see your grand children". If anyone doesn't like this thread and us talking about the seriousness of protecting ourselves please just don't waste your time posting jokes here, you aren't funny.

Brian
03-25-2013 07:07 PM
302 Z28
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You are right, our employees, we supply a new one to, every 7 days (by law)
Ammonia can kill you, we use it in a few things in concentrated form and its the only solvent or solids that bothers me as, I'm sensitized to most.
I can attest to that when I was employed I had to go to the top of an anhydrous ammonia storage tank to check out an instrument. I was in front followed by one of our operatos as we were going up the stairs. We were both carrying 5 minute air packs. As I cleared the top of the tank I passed out as quick as that. The operator who was behind me grabbed me and pulled me down to breathable air. I awoke several seconds later to see him placing the 5 minute pack to my face. Ammonia is some nasty stuff and prolonged expose can wreck your lungs or kill you.

Vince
03-25-2013 12:06 PM
MARTINSR Oh heck yeah, it kicked my butt like nothing ever before or since. It HIT me like a physical HIT, just about knocked me down. I opened all the windows and doors and turned fans on while running around with towel over my face and we left. Came back many hours later and it still was there and BAD. It was the middle of winter and very cold but that night we slept with the bedroom door closed and the window open still airing out the rest of the place. It was VICIOUS I mean VICIOUS stuff!

By the way after doing this I read the directions.....the toilet bowl cleaner had big bold warnings "DO NOT MIX WITH BLEACH! And the bleach had big bold print warnings "DO NOT MIX WITH AMONNIA" and "DO NOT MIX WITH ANY OTHER HOUSEHOLD CLEANER ESPECIALLY TOILET BOWL CLEANER" Which of course contains amonnia.

Brian
03-25-2013 11:27 AM
BarryK
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Barry, yes, ammonia can be pretty darn hard on you, temorarily and permanently. My only real experience with it was when I deceded to clean my sink in an apartement I was living in years ago with toilet bowl cleaner (it is awesome stuff right?) and bleach mixed, heck yeah, both work great so why not together? The ammonia in the toilet bowl cleaner and the bleach make chlorine fumes! It was vicious.

Brian
I half remember about 30-35 years ago, some women made up a brew like you did to clean the toilet, she was letting it sit and husband went in and sat down to use it and woke up dead, so too say.
03-25-2013 09:34 AM
MARTINSR Barry, yes, ammonia can be pretty darn hard on you, temorarily and permanently. My only real experience with it was when I deceded to clean my sink in an apartement I was living in years ago with toilet bowl cleaner (it is awesome stuff right?) and bleach mixed, heck yeah, both work great so why not together? The ammonia in the toilet bowl cleaner and the bleach make chlorine fumes! It was vicious.

Brian
03-25-2013 08:57 AM
BarryK
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
I know we all don't want to start some crap with our making a living but the employer MUST by law provide you with protection. And you really need to do some home work on what kind, a paint respirator may not even do a thing with ammonia, I don't know, you don't know and the unless one of us really has some knowledge on this EXACT problem, we just don't know. You need to do some REAL home work and screw comfort, you need PROTECTION. Ammonia is some bad ars stuff, don't screw around with your health!

Brian
You are right, our employees, we supply a new one to, every 7 days (by law)
Ammonia can kill you, we use it in a few things in concentrated form and its the only solvent or solids that bothers me as, I'm sensitized to most.
03-25-2013 08:38 AM
OneMoreTime See if you can find the MSDS for the products being used as well as that information is necessary..

Sam
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